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    I don't think sci-fi and fantasy are that clear-cut. A lot of fantasy is quite hopeful (the bad guys pretty much always lose at the end of the story), and it's kind of 50:50 whether it depicts the past as better or worse than it was. e.g. the shire in Lord of the Rings is practically a utopia, despite not being completely unrealistic for a pre-industrial society (it probably looks a lot more utopian than it is because most of the hobbit characters we know are aristocrats).

    Literature is, generally, definitely not about happy feelings, though.

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    This is Farmer Maggot erasure and I won't have it

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      For Conservatives these days ....

      Sci-fi is their fantasy

      Fantasy is their reality

      and literature about dystopian futures is their guide

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        That's my secret, Cap. I'm depressed about the past, present, and future at the same time.

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        • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

          For me, Sci-Fi is about the hope of a better future. In those stories, people explore beyond our petty problems of the past.

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          'O brave new world, that has such people in 't!'

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          • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

            For me, Sci-Fi is about the hope of a better future. In those stories, people explore beyond our petty problems of the past.

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            Not much of that utopian sci fi around though.

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              Not much of that utopian sci fi around though.

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              There's some hopeful sci-fi on it's way soon with Starfleet Academy.

              Mostly looking forward to the return of The Doc.

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                Sci-fi with depression replaced by hopefulness = Star Trek.

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                  Sci-fi with depression replaced by hopefulness = Star Trek.

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                    ❤

                    You, Picard Maneuver and Stamets are the coolest already just counting the amount of Star Trek content y'all make/share.

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                      Sci-fi with depression replaced by hopefulness = Star Trek.

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                      Literature with depression replaced by hopefulness = solarpunk?

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                        You, Picard Maneuver and Stamets are the coolest already just counting the amount of Star Trek content y'all make/share.

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                          Apocalypse is when you happy about the future.

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                            Scifi is when you're a fucking nerd who likes technology. Fantasy is when you're a fucking nerd who likes history. Literature is when you're a fucking nerd.

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                              Flaw number one: sci fi can be a lot, tonally. It can be depressing, but also hopeful, horrifying, epic etc.
                              Flaw number two: fantasy can be a lot, tonally. It can be depressing, but also hopeful, horrifying, epic etc.
                              Flaw number three: "literature" is not a setting. There's fantasy and sci fi literature as well as real-world-related or apocalyptic literature. "Literature" is just written down stories.

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                              • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                                For me, Sci-Fi is about the hope of a better future. In those stories, people explore beyond our petty problems of the past.

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                                Yeah I guess there's two different categories of sci-fi in this regard. Personally, I think stuff that's as far ahead in the future as Star Trek is pretty close to fantasy. But then there's also the Philip K. Dick style near future dystopian sci-fi that serves more as a warning about the future we're headed to (or instruction manual if you're a techbro CEO).

                                Fantasy is probably the same actually. I usually think happy thoughts if I think about fantasy as a genre but then there's also stuff like Game of Thrones.

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                                  Scifi is when you're a fucking nerd who likes technology. Fantasy is when you're a fucking nerd who likes history. Literature is when you're a fucking nerd.

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                                  Since when are sci-fi and fantasy nerds fucking?

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                                    I prefer high fantasy over grim dark fantasy.

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                                      This is just wanting a pretext to be depressed.

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                                        why not all three

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                                          If every genre you read is depressing, you're the common factor.

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