China floods Brazil with cheap electric vehicles triggering backlash
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You generally don't want to incentivize the practice of dumping since its goal is putting competition out of business.
Canada doesn't really have its own automaker. We do have American subsidiaries of Ford, etc. and if they're gonna go under we'll deal with that when it happens.
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Don't really care about the competition. I care about having cheap access to EVs. If the competition can't compete, then fuck em. That's not my problem.
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Don't really care about the competition. I care about having cheap access to EVs. If the competition can't compete, then fuck em. That's not my problem.
EVs won't be cheap for long if there's no competition.
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EVs won't be cheap for long if there's no competition.
Is there any domestically produced competition in Canada? The only one a search returns is still a concept (not yet commercially available). Everything else looks to be imported from elsewhere?
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Is there any domestically produced competition in Canada? The only one a search returns is still a concept (not yet commercially available). Everything else looks to be imported from elsewhere?
Most countries don't segment electric cars vs regular ice cars. It just falls under "cars".
The same people making a decision to buy an ice vehicle would buy a heavily subsidized Chinese vehicle.
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Can they flood Canada with cheap EV as well?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yeah, let's just have a repeat of the rare earth market. That worked out swell for the world to let an authoritarian government have a global monopoly.
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The car market is due for an IBM level shakeup in the west. It’s unbelievable to me that Tesla is the sole manufacturer that creates cars with as good infotainment as a standalone tablet from Apple/Google. Not a single other carmaker other than Volvo can be considered objectively better than Tesla. It’s fucking insane that Chinese phone manufacturers slaughter everything on the market in terms of fluidity and ecosystem. I’m pretty sure Chinese cars even support Android auto when Google itself is heavily restricted in China. Even if you’re supporting China by buying one, it’s worth it to kick western manufacturers in the teeth so that they’ll be forced to compete.
My Ford F150 Lightning takes two whole seconds to register a volume change with an animation onscreen. It’s fucking unacceptable that this is being protected in the west.
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Don't really care about the competition. I care about having cheap access to EVs. If the competition can't compete, then fuck em. That's not my problem.
Don't really care about the competition. I care about having cheap access to [X]. If the competition can't compete, then fuck em. That's not my problem.
This comment is the American consumer for the last 50 years, next step is complaining about outsourcing jobs and lower quality products with no competition.
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Don't really care about the competition. I care about having cheap access to [X]. If the competition can't compete, then fuck em. That's not my problem.
This comment is the American consumer for the last 50 years, next step is complaining about outsourcing jobs and lower quality products with no competition.
That only matters under an economic system that necessities competition.
Change the economic system to one that encourages cooperation instead, and that won't be an issue.
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The car market is due for an IBM level shakeup in the west. It’s unbelievable to me that Tesla is the sole manufacturer that creates cars with as good infotainment as a standalone tablet from Apple/Google. Not a single other carmaker other than Volvo can be considered objectively better than Tesla. It’s fucking insane that Chinese phone manufacturers slaughter everything on the market in terms of fluidity and ecosystem. I’m pretty sure Chinese cars even support Android auto when Google itself is heavily restricted in China. Even if you’re supporting China by buying one, it’s worth it to kick western manufacturers in the teeth so that they’ll be forced to compete.
My Ford F150 Lightning takes two whole seconds to register a volume change with an animation onscreen. It’s fucking unacceptable that this is being protected in the west.
I feel this legacy auto really needs to catch up— I just don’t get it they have the money just hire 50 good software people and stick them in a room for 1.5 years and they could have a nice polished stack— just get your legacy hardware / software people to offer a nice api with good documentation for querying sensor data for the non critical infotainment system.
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Yeah, let's just have a repeat of the rare earth market. That worked out swell for the world to let an authoritarian government have a global monopoly.
With how shit the software is in American EVs we might as well skip the rare earths altogether
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Is there any domestically produced competition in Canada? The only one a search returns is still a concept (not yet commercially available). Everything else looks to be imported from elsewhere?
A lot of production occurs in Canada Toyota, and Stelantis have plants there
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This should be like when Japan started turning out cheap and reliable watches. The best safest and most cost effective products must be available for all. In the UK there's a huge market growth in EVs from Kia and Hyundai, (Korean), Volvo (Chinese), MG (Chinese). Recently BYD has taken the market by a little storm. Traditional manufacturers like Ford, BMW, VW etc. all late to the party, and only just catching up. They have been protected.
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BYD gets CCP funding to take over the global markets.
Not weird there's backlash when China is literally destroying jobs on a global scale.
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That only matters under an economic system that necessities competition.
Change the economic system to one that encourages cooperation instead, and that won't be an issue.
So your solution is change the whole system so you can buy a dumped Chinese car without any guilt?
Whilst I agree the system is broken, buying dumped goods only makes the situation worse as it means those players and playing on an uneven playing field
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So your solution is change the whole system so you can buy a dumped Chinese car without any guilt?
Whilst I agree the system is broken, buying dumped goods only makes the situation worse as it means those players and playing on an uneven playing field
wrote on last edited by [email protected]"buy"
How can you buy something in a system that doesn't utilize monetary economics nor private systems of ownership?
And having easy access to transportation is but one of many reasons to change the system. Don't act dumb with bad faith arguments like trying to frame it as the only reason.
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The car market is due for an IBM level shakeup in the west. It’s unbelievable to me that Tesla is the sole manufacturer that creates cars with as good infotainment as a standalone tablet from Apple/Google. Not a single other carmaker other than Volvo can be considered objectively better than Tesla. It’s fucking insane that Chinese phone manufacturers slaughter everything on the market in terms of fluidity and ecosystem. I’m pretty sure Chinese cars even support Android auto when Google itself is heavily restricted in China. Even if you’re supporting China by buying one, it’s worth it to kick western manufacturers in the teeth so that they’ll be forced to compete.
My Ford F150 Lightning takes two whole seconds to register a volume change with an animation onscreen. It’s fucking unacceptable that this is being protected in the west.
Volvo lol
Let’s not forget , cars are for DRIVING
Volvos drive like utter shit
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"buy"
How can you buy something in a system that doesn't utilize monetary economics nor private systems of ownership?
And having easy access to transportation is but one of many reasons to change the system. Don't act dumb with bad faith arguments like trying to frame it as the only reason.
If you're going as far as throwing out monetary economics, cheap doesn't mean anything. You're just describing equitable transportation access.
Even in that scenario, it's not desirable to have that reliance on a foreign state for such a core function. Power dynamics aside, global supply chains are brittle (as seen during covid).
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Most of the middle-class have been priced out of new cars in North America. We need those cheap cars here!
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"buy"
How can you buy something in a system that doesn't utilize monetary economics nor private systems of ownership?
And having easy access to transportation is but one of many reasons to change the system. Don't act dumb with bad faith arguments like trying to frame it as the only reason.
Aquire, own, however you want to describe gaining a car in this alternative system. The point is, getting a product that is able to be acquired for an unfair price due to the CCP propping up and protecting their own companies would still be unfair.
I agree with your want for having everyone be more cooperative. The Chinese started by being quite cooperative in building cars with western companies. I used to think that was good but now that CCP has turned it around and doesn't want to share any of their developed tech with other players, I think western business greed got the better of us. I'm not as pesemistic as others that the west is very far behind. European brands do make some killer electric cars but they may not have quite the range or quite the low price and they have not been on the market for that long.
Finally, I'm not trying to make bad faith arguments. I just disagree with your position that I'll buy a dumped Chinese car because fuck the current players for not innovating. That is how I understand your position anyway, if that's not right please explain the neuance I'm missing rather than attacking me
