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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • C [email protected]

    Where... AI is ruining the world, with devastating levels of environmental impact, job losses and mental faculty damage.

    canajac@lemmy.caC This user is from outside of this forum
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    Not true. AI will save us from....us.

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    • M [email protected]

      I was going to wholeheartedly endorse your comment and then you ruin it in the last sentence with

      that matches the text comprehension skills of 15 year olds (just an example), then this too is AI.

      It feels like you know what you are talking about, but then confuse the successful statistical analysis of text as "comprehension" which is just plain factually wrong.

      sad. so close though.

      zacryon@feddit.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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      Not my wording, but the one from the paper I have linked.

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      • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

        One fundamental part of "intelligence" is being able to come up with independent thoughts. Another is to be able to think critically about those thoughts. LLMs cannot do either.

        zacryon@feddit.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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        Is it though? By which definition?

        What is "thinking critically about thoughts"?
        And what is an "independent thought"? Aren't our brains not just reacting to sensory inputs and dictated by the way our brains are wired?

        Maybe we should go even further and clarify what a "thought" even is.

        Are animals, who lack the higher cognitive functions, that humans have, therefore not "intelligent"? Are mentally impaired people no longer to be considered "intelligent"? If so, where is the line to be drawn? What are the specific definitions and criteria to correctly distinguish intelligence from non- or pseudo-intelligence?

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        • zacryon@feddit.orgZ [email protected]

          Is it though? By which definition?

          What is "thinking critically about thoughts"?
          And what is an "independent thought"? Aren't our brains not just reacting to sensory inputs and dictated by the way our brains are wired?

          Maybe we should go even further and clarify what a "thought" even is.

          Are animals, who lack the higher cognitive functions, that humans have, therefore not "intelligent"? Are mentally impaired people no longer to be considered "intelligent"? If so, where is the line to be drawn? What are the specific definitions and criteria to correctly distinguish intelligence from non- or pseudo-intelligence?

          princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP This user is from outside of this forum
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          I dunno mate, go read the wikipedia article or something.

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          • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

            I dunno mate, go read the wikipedia article or something.

            zacryon@feddit.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #445

            Well, in that case I wonder why you were criticising the field of AI. Doesn't seem to be substantiated.

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            • zacryon@feddit.orgZ [email protected]

              Well, in that case I wonder why you were criticising the field of AI. Doesn't seem to be substantiated.

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              #446

              Me not having the spoons to debate a necro comment doesn't make you right. ✌️

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              • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zoneP [email protected]

                Me not having the spoons to debate a necro comment doesn't make you right. ✌️

                zacryon@feddit.orgZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                It find it unfortunate that you are unwilling to continue this discussion. I can only recommend to you to read more deeply about this topic in order to form a well founded and critical opinion, before judging things you do not seem to comprehend sufficiently.

                Let me know as soon as you'd like to continue this matter. I am always open for a good discussion and good arguments.

                (I am not sorry for "necroing", sometimes I'm just not in the mood and/or don't have the time to reply to various comments. But that's the beauty of discussion platforms: it's always possible to pick it up at a later time.)

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                • U [email protected]

                  Isn't ecosia just using google's results?

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                  As far as I know they are using Bing. They've started building their own search index last year in a partnership with Qwant.

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                  • R [email protected]

                    That's a weird way to spell luddite

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                    not wanting to use a useless technology that kills the environment and only exists to make rich people richer doesn't make you a luddite

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                    • D [email protected]
                      cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zoneC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      stupid headline from the guardian but that's just expected.

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                      • T [email protected]

                        Not OP. I've been using Ecosia for years and was glad they didn't do the AI summary shit so far... But a few days ago I got an AI summary on Ecosia as well. I fear they're also hopping on this train and in that case I'll look for another search engine.

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                        This is in beta, not available for all users and you can also disable it easily:
                        https://support.ecosia.org/article/994-ai-overviews

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