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  • B [email protected]

    This is a common misconception. If a person or corporation takes money for charity, like rounding up for bill at point of sale, that entity doesn't get to write that off taxes. They can claim publicity for raising money for charity, but they didn't get any direct financial windfall. They would only get something if they were to say, match the donation contribution.

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    Except if they found a loophole such that money you donate first goes to their business account and they make it legally seem like it is a donation made from their business account in which case they might still get a tax refund. Note that this is a speculation on my part and I am wondering if there are indeed loopholes that enable this or laws are clear enough to prevent this in any form and shape.

    It might also work the same way if you make a donation through their own charities. How it would work is they donate some of their profit to their own charities and get the tax refund but they don't use that money for charitable acts (as defined by common sense). They also get customer based donations to their charities which instead they use for what one would consider charitable acts, so the charity looks active instead of hoarding money. And then they use the other money they have donated themselves and gotten a tax refund for as whatever agenda pushing reasons as they see fit ( including political donations, investments in other companies ) since the definition of charitable act is quite loosely regulated.

    This is what, me a regular guy, comes up with thinking about it for five minutes. An army of lawyers will make sure to find a way to turn your donations into tax reducing investments for the company.

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    • B [email protected]

      Original post from u/Kvolti on reddit

      More informations and pictures here:

      https://www.greenpeace.org/italy/storia/27709/abbiamo-contestato-jeff-bezos-a-venezia/

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      One day people will say “why do we let these weird weak old losers steal from us? We shouldn’t. Let’s get these assholes.”

      15 minutes later it will be over

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      • D [email protected]

        I think they don't know how taxes work. Taxes are paid on income and realized capital gains. He's not renting venice from his Amazon stock...

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        #33

        The message is that billionaires can pay 'more' taxes, not that they have to pay on unrealized gains.

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        • D [email protected]

          Tax property, tax inheritance, tax capital gains no matter if realized or not, tax passive income of all kinds. Tax them progressively and tax the highest brackets high enough that these giant fortunes actually shrink. There is no other way (well... besides revolution) to reduce the spiraling inequality which is at the root of major problems all over the world.

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          Always hated that they pretend you cant tax unreleased gains when they are perfectly capable of raising loans against them. If unrealized gains can be used to secure loans then they have a quantifiable value that can be taxed.

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          • D [email protected]

            Tax property, tax inheritance, tax capital gains no matter if realized or not, tax passive income of all kinds. Tax them progressively and tax the highest brackets high enough that these giant fortunes actually shrink. There is no other way (well... besides revolution) to reduce the spiraling inequality which is at the root of major problems all over the world.

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            There is no other way (well… besides revolution)

            The backlash that you'll receive from the cronies of mega-capital will make revolution inevitable. That's assuming you can get so far as to democratically reform the tax code in an electoral system that cages voters, manufacturers consent, and manipulates the courts to guarantee only their people hold office.

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            • P [email protected]

              Checked Reddit and Fb, thousands of bots booing Greenpeace and defending Amazon.

              It seems that picture got its results.

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              Classic bots

              Good news, the first few dozen or so top-level comments on the r/pics thread are 100% anti-Bez

              Mirror:

              https://redlib.pussthecat.org/r/pics/comments/1liavae/oc_venice_against_jeff_bezos_wedding_taken_today/

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              • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                You can fly the drone without a license in secret, and the law only requires that you scribble the ID somewhere on the craft -- something you do not need to do if flying for clandestine purposes.

                Not all drone's fly via radio, many use direct WiFi connections which can be completely spoofed over 3G proxies so that the drone and operator aren't in direct contact with one another

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                #37

                Why aren’t we under attack all the time btw

                https://youtu.be/O-2tpwW0kmU

                Lil 8min scary film from 2017; Wiki, Slaughterbots

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                  I think they don't know how taxes work. Taxes are paid on income and realized capital gains. He's not renting venice from his Amazon stock...

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                  He's renting it from the interest and profits he gets from those stocks. I'm paying tax on the gains I get from my stocks and so should he.

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                  • redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.comR [email protected]

                    Camel by Camel (Instrumental version)

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                    Ok so I'm out of the loop on the memes but this song james. Sounds like something out of a 90s sega side scrolling beat em up. I love it!

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                    • P [email protected]

                      One day people will say “why do we let these weird weak old losers steal from us? We shouldn’t. Let’s get these assholes.”

                      15 minutes later it will be over

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                      15 minutes later it will be over

                      Worse, we'll have users telling us how this (somehow) is good for the left and downvoting everyone who lives there and says otherwise

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                      • P [email protected]

                        One day people will say “why do we let these weird weak old losers steal from us? We shouldn’t. Let’s get these assholes.”

                        15 minutes later it will be over

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                        The people are too blind and mute.

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                        • B [email protected]

                          Why aren’t we under attack all the time btw

                          https://youtu.be/O-2tpwW0kmU

                          Lil 8min scary film from 2017; Wiki, Slaughterbots

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                          I saw that short film years ago and it still sticks with me. Back then it seemed possible but the tech wasn't quite there, now we see it in use.

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                            Ok so I'm out of the loop on the memes but this song james. Sounds like something out of a 90s sega side scrolling beat em up. I love it!

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                            The original lyrics and singer are great too.

                            Edit: https://youtu.be/yvsR-xciOTg

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                            • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                              You can fly the drone without a license in secret, and the law only requires that you scribble the ID somewhere on the craft -- something you do not need to do if flying for clandestine purposes.

                              Not all drone's fly via radio, many use direct WiFi connections which can be completely spoofed over 3G proxies so that the drone and operator aren't in direct contact with one another

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                              and the law only requires that you scribble the ID somewhere on the craft

                              most bought drones also transmit it wirelessly too

                              many use direct WiFi connections

                              yes, the toy ones, once you get 10m away you aren't controlling that drone anymore, let alone recieving pictures

                              which can be completely spoofed over 3G proxies

                              once you start introducing the internet the lag becomes unbearable, and also phone towers are aimed at the ground, not at the sky, so you'd get shit reception anyways

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                              • B [email protected]

                                Original post from u/Kvolti on reddit

                                More informations and pictures here:

                                https://www.greenpeace.org/italy/storia/27709/abbiamo-contestato-jeff-bezos-a-venezia/

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                                So the Venice entrance fee was introduced to deny access and make this event possible?

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                                • tetris11@lemmy.mlT [email protected]

                                  I don't get it, what's to stop people photobombing his wedding with lots and lots of annoying drones

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                                  I think workers would be better than drones. Drones can't even sting.

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                                  • isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.deI [email protected]

                                    and the law only requires that you scribble the ID somewhere on the craft

                                    most bought drones also transmit it wirelessly too

                                    many use direct WiFi connections

                                    yes, the toy ones, once you get 10m away you aren't controlling that drone anymore, let alone recieving pictures

                                    which can be completely spoofed over 3G proxies

                                    once you start introducing the internet the lag becomes unbearable, and also phone towers are aimed at the ground, not at the sky, so you'd get shit reception anyways

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                                    #47

                                    Tell that to these guys:

                                    https://github.com/uavpal/beboptwo4g/wiki/faq#latency

                                    Typically for direct connections (see this FAQ entry), the latency is around 50 ms. The pre- and post-processing of the live video stream is more than that, which you will also experience when flying in the original set-up (over Wi-Fi).

                                    For more staged setups, there's always MAVproxy

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                                    • D [email protected]

                                      Tax property, tax inheritance, tax capital gains no matter if realized or not, tax passive income of all kinds. Tax them progressively and tax the highest brackets high enough that these giant fortunes actually shrink. There is no other way (well... besides revolution) to reduce the spiraling inequality which is at the root of major problems all over the world.

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                                      #48

                                      If only poor people could purchase senators and congressmen (and Supreme Court justices).

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                                        Original post from u/Kvolti on reddit

                                        More informations and pictures here:

                                        https://www.greenpeace.org/italy/storia/27709/abbiamo-contestato-jeff-bezos-a-venezia/

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                                        This is where God gets to prove he's real, and he's on the side of the people. If it's true, Venice will finally sink into the sea and become a legend, like Atlantis.

                                        If that happens, I'll finally go to church every Sunday. Hear me God? That's what it will take.

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                                        • D [email protected]

                                          Tax property, tax inheritance, tax capital gains no matter if realized or not, tax passive income of all kinds. Tax them progressively and tax the highest brackets high enough that these giant fortunes actually shrink. There is no other way (well... besides revolution) to reduce the spiraling inequality which is at the root of major problems all over the world.

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                                          Imagine if you took $100 billion from any of these Goblins, they wouldn't even notice it, but that money could fund homeless solutions (or any other problem) forever.

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