Need a keyboard with a dedicated "slop" button
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I beg to differ. Anti ai is way bigger on Lemmy than pro. You can see this even by the likes.
Second part is about semantics of ai. We use the term AI because that kind of stuck. Everybody uses the term. It makes no sense to every time rage about what it means specifically, especially since most people do fairly understand what it is.
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While you are correct that AI is a horrible source of greenhouse gas due to its insatiable need for power, I wouldn't call the people using it the make pictures "too lazy to learn Photoshop". Being able to draw is a talent not everyone has and it's kind of amazing to be able to make a picture you see in your mind without having the innate talent to do so. That being said, the people who have the talent who's art has been used to train these AI systems should be broadly compensated for their work being used in the AI models.
I despise whenever someone talks like this about drawing. Everyone can draw. Nobody was born being able to make masterpieces from day one. It's not some mystical arte that only those with the Chosen One gene can do. It all comes down to a willingness to try and to learn. That's it. Using "talent" to bar yourself from doing so is only doing yourself a disservice. Even drawing silly little stick men is still practice, and I can attest to that from both first and second-hand experience. Just pick up a pencil, or boot up paint on a computer (but please, at least download paint.net or something), and you'll find that you can indeed draw, you just have to do it enough to gain confidence. It's like walking, or driving a car. I don't see anyone saying that some people have innate driving talent and some don't.
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There are extremist on both sides. But at least the anti-AI group has environmental responsibility on their side.
Environmental responsibility?
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I have never seen anyone other than tech bros hype AI. Quite the opposite, I only see people raging on AI.
Me too. Especially here in Lemmy. Definitely way more people rage about it. Rarely I see people being obnoxious by promoting it.
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ITT: exactly what the tweet was about.
(Edit: It was a tumblr post.)Y'all just saw "AI" and started frothing at the mouth about LLMs when, in the context of the tweet, it might just as well have referred to path finding AI in a video game.
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Is this the new sub tweeting? Whining in a shitpost sub about how you got modded for continuing to support a logical fallacy after the mod said knock it off?
It was not a logical fallacy to begin with and I only had one comment and it was only to the guy who was attacked, not to anyone else.
What do you care so much where I talk about how obnoxious fuck_ai has become?
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I will stop freaking out when naive techbro men stop the ecological mass murder and environmental destruction that they supposedly NEED to do to sustain their shitty knockoff of a religion/cult.
Silicon valley is just a convoluted project to revive prey enlightenment Christianity, but stupider and more evil.
Everything they have peoduced since 2008, if not earlier, is part of this.
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Companies hopping on a fad bandwagon doesn't mean that the public in general wants it.
It’s hard to tell. I get on Lemmy/reddit and see all kinds of anti AI messages. But I look at what’s happening on things like TikTok and instagram, and people don’t seem to care. They like and share all the AI slop. Knowing it is AI slop.
The comment I was responding to was saying it is only tech bros hyping AI. I think that’s just not true. There’s a wide range of people hyping AI. Companies, governments, schools (when used the right way and not just cheating), etc...
As for public in general, I think most people just don’t care. They see the benefits of AI and don’t think about the negatives, so they just embrace it.
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How is AI a marketing term for LLM? Aren't LLMs neural networks, which is an AI technique?
It sure bugs me how everyone suddenly started to use the word "AI" exclusively to refer to LLMs, but the term is not wrong either.wrote last edited by [email protected]It’s AI the same way the CPU players in NHL ‘94 are AI
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Think
Then they wouldn't be hyping and defending the current state of the "AI"
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ITT: exactly what the tweet was about.
(Edit: It was a tumblr post.)Y'all just saw "AI" and started frothing at the mouth about LLMs when, in the context of the tweet, it might just as well have referred to path finding AI in a video game.
Exactly, it's downright comical how well OP called it.
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While you are correct that AI is a horrible source of greenhouse gas due to its insatiable need for power, I wouldn't call the people using it the make pictures "too lazy to learn Photoshop". Being able to draw is a talent not everyone has and it's kind of amazing to be able to make a picture you see in your mind without having the innate talent to do so. That being said, the people who have the talent who's art has been used to train these AI systems should be broadly compensated for their work being used in the AI models.
Art can be made out of literally anything. Trash, pieces of fabric, some chalk on a sidewalk, spray cans, arrangement of random objects, sea shells, etc. People will still love to look at shitty sketches and cute chibis and eagerly repost that art. Your medium doesn't have to be just paper and pencil, nor just an expensive digital screen and a paid paint program, but even then digital can be free. Kritia, MS Paint, Sketchbook, IbisPaint, Fossify Paint, and many more are free and easy to download on Android. Procreate is cheap and loved by many. There are people doing this shit on their phone with their finger and a lot of determination.
None of these artists started out making masterpieces, they had to take the time to get to where they are and learn. Thousands of free tutorials are online, on both YT and other social media platforms, for any kind of art medium. Years of work and practicing every day. Even for those who are making masterpieces now, they take probably days or weeks to finish off a major project, they can't just pump that shit out.
If you can't draw or photoshop images well, that's fine, as not everyone is able to do that skill. I want to learn to draw, but I can recognize that I probably don't have to time right now in my life to do that, nor will I likely be able to reach the level I dream of, and I accept that. But the moment you decide to get mad at the people opposing AI art and using AI to Photoshop, or you yourself ever use AI to do such acts, then I will gladly call you a lazy bastard. You can't have your cake without the effort that others put in to do it, and if you're doing it for commercial purposes, you should be dragged through the streets.
Art is art because a human put their thoughts and feelings behind it. It causes discussion, whether good, bad, happy, angry, etc. AI art is only amazing on the surface, "wow, we have the tech to do this" and then it stops being amazing. Either way am artist/digital designer or don't make whatever it is you wanted. Using AI to make art is embarrassing.
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I will stop freaking out when they will stop trying to shove it down my throat all the time
That doesn't narrow it down, are you a conservative bigot, or just an AI-hater?
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Exactly, it's downright comical how well OP called it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Aren't you OP? Also, people currently understand "AI" (a marketing term) as "LLMs" and audiovisual producing software. Had you mentioned it in the late 90s, it would've been more about "The Matrix" kind of sci-fi AI, for instance, and before it would've referred to Cameron's Terminators or Herbert's "machine intelligence". Words and their context. You're being purposefully obtuse because people here wrote thoughtful comments disagreeing with the premise in the image you posted (and apparently agree with) and you don't like it as it makes you feel silly. That's all.
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I have no idea what point you’re trying to get across but I just got back from shopping for a laptop for my college kid and pretty much all of them had a slop button
That's awesome, back in my day, we had to spit in our homemade fleshlights to get the slop.
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"AI" is not just LLMs or diffusion models, and that's what I think OPs is about, like, do you also hate Stockfish? Or enemies in a videogame?
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Let's cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we're too lazy to photoshop!
Decided to look into it, and a loose estimate (it's hard to find data on the power usage of photoshop) is that 1 minute of photoshop average is about 1 gen image at 4k output.
Which means depending on use case and experience, an AI spun up locally to make something quickly would use far less electricity
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"AI" is not just LLMs or diffusion models, and that's what I think OPs is about, like, do you also hate Stockfish? Or enemies in a videogame?
I hate stockfish because it keeps beating me
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That doesn't narrow it down, are you a conservative bigot, or just an AI-hater?
I'm a conservative bigot only when it comes to AI
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Companies hopping on a fad bandwagon doesn't mean that the public in general wants it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes, what it actually signifies is that markets are mostly run by supply side economics. In other words, the typical product creation story is that companies produce products and then try to shove them down everyone's throats.
