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  • santeri@feddit.orgS [email protected]

    Dear Fediversalists,

    I am new here. I moderate a 50 000 members Finnish language Facebook group on no-fly travelling since 2015. I want to reduce our dependence on billionaire owned media, so we are trying to start an expansion here on the free side. I learned about Feddit.org and founded the community https://feddit.org/c/maatapitkinmatkustus.

    Do you think this was the best move to make? Maybe we should move to another instance before our community grows too big here?

    There are some issues I am unsure about. First, I have realised after having created the Finnish language community, that feddit.org is listed as a local instance of German speaking countries and so I could not choose Finnish as the community language, I had to “officially” choose English and German instead, though we are discussing in Finnish in the community.

    Second, I do not know how big our community could grow on this server. Maybe the server will decide some day that there is no room for us anymore?

    Third, I am concerned about how Feddit.org is going. I just installed Voyager, but I cannot connect to Feddit.org. I could connect to any other instance with it. What if the server has to close – would our community disappear with all the data?

    On the other hand, I am happy using Lemmy. The user interface is easy and intuitive (maybe because I happen to belong to the net forums and blogs reader generation). So what would you recommend to a Finnish language group with a potential to grow to (tens of) thousands?

    imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI This user is from outside of this forum
    imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI This user is from outside of this forum
    [email protected]
    wrote on last edited by
    #2

    Surely has to be https://sopuli.xyz/

    The admin is a Finn, although the servers are technically in Germany.

    Also it's extra cool because it's one of the true OG Lemmy servers, founded in June 2021.

    coelacanth@feddit.nuC quentincallaghan@sopuli.xyzQ blackn1ght@feddit.ukB 3 Replies Last reply
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    • santeri@feddit.orgS [email protected]

      Dear Fediversalists,

      I am new here. I moderate a 50 000 members Finnish language Facebook group on no-fly travelling since 2015. I want to reduce our dependence on billionaire owned media, so we are trying to start an expansion here on the free side. I learned about Feddit.org and founded the community https://feddit.org/c/maatapitkinmatkustus.

      Do you think this was the best move to make? Maybe we should move to another instance before our community grows too big here?

      There are some issues I am unsure about. First, I have realised after having created the Finnish language community, that feddit.org is listed as a local instance of German speaking countries and so I could not choose Finnish as the community language, I had to “officially” choose English and German instead, though we are discussing in Finnish in the community.

      Second, I do not know how big our community could grow on this server. Maybe the server will decide some day that there is no room for us anymore?

      Third, I am concerned about how Feddit.org is going. I just installed Voyager, but I cannot connect to Feddit.org. I could connect to any other instance with it. What if the server has to close – would our community disappear with all the data?

      On the other hand, I am happy using Lemmy. The user interface is easy and intuitive (maybe because I happen to belong to the net forums and blogs reader generation). So what would you recommend to a Finnish language group with a potential to grow to (tens of) thousands?

      alphane_moon@lemmy.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
      alphane_moon@lemmy.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
      [email protected]
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      Try getting in touch with the admin of https://sopuli.xyz/. He is supposed to be from Finland.

      I've seen that instance recommended for European users.

      Good luck with your move! We need to get rid of American oligarch influence. They are corrupt, dishonest and lack humanity.

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      • santeri@feddit.orgS [email protected]

        Dear Fediversalists,

        I am new here. I moderate a 50 000 members Finnish language Facebook group on no-fly travelling since 2015. I want to reduce our dependence on billionaire owned media, so we are trying to start an expansion here on the free side. I learned about Feddit.org and founded the community https://feddit.org/c/maatapitkinmatkustus.

        Do you think this was the best move to make? Maybe we should move to another instance before our community grows too big here?

        There are some issues I am unsure about. First, I have realised after having created the Finnish language community, that feddit.org is listed as a local instance of German speaking countries and so I could not choose Finnish as the community language, I had to “officially” choose English and German instead, though we are discussing in Finnish in the community.

        Second, I do not know how big our community could grow on this server. Maybe the server will decide some day that there is no room for us anymore?

        Third, I am concerned about how Feddit.org is going. I just installed Voyager, but I cannot connect to Feddit.org. I could connect to any other instance with it. What if the server has to close – would our community disappear with all the data?

        On the other hand, I am happy using Lemmy. The user interface is easy and intuitive (maybe because I happen to belong to the net forums and blogs reader generation). So what would you recommend to a Finnish language group with a potential to grow to (tens of) thousands?

        A This user is from outside of this forum
        A This user is from outside of this forum
        [email protected]
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        The local Finnish Lemmy community is hosted on sopuli.xyz
        /c/[email protected]

        I don't know how well the server is prepared to handle a large number of users, but seems like an appropriate place for a Finnish language community. I think /u/[email protected] is the instance owner.

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        • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI [email protected]

          Surely has to be https://sopuli.xyz/

          The admin is a Finn, although the servers are technically in Germany.

          Also it's extra cool because it's one of the true OG Lemmy servers, founded in June 2021.

          coelacanth@feddit.nuC This user is from outside of this forum
          coelacanth@feddit.nuC This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          This would have been my suggestion as well. Cool instance, surely would be perfect for this.

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          • santeri@feddit.orgS [email protected]

            Dear Fediversalists,

            I am new here. I moderate a 50 000 members Finnish language Facebook group on no-fly travelling since 2015. I want to reduce our dependence on billionaire owned media, so we are trying to start an expansion here on the free side. I learned about Feddit.org and founded the community https://feddit.org/c/maatapitkinmatkustus.

            Do you think this was the best move to make? Maybe we should move to another instance before our community grows too big here?

            There are some issues I am unsure about. First, I have realised after having created the Finnish language community, that feddit.org is listed as a local instance of German speaking countries and so I could not choose Finnish as the community language, I had to “officially” choose English and German instead, though we are discussing in Finnish in the community.

            Second, I do not know how big our community could grow on this server. Maybe the server will decide some day that there is no room for us anymore?

            Third, I am concerned about how Feddit.org is going. I just installed Voyager, but I cannot connect to Feddit.org. I could connect to any other instance with it. What if the server has to close – would our community disappear with all the data?

            On the other hand, I am happy using Lemmy. The user interface is easy and intuitive (maybe because I happen to belong to the net forums and blogs reader generation). So what would you recommend to a Finnish language group with a potential to grow to (tens of) thousands?

            C This user is from outside of this forum
            C This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            It is probably wise to have the server admins speak the language of your community.

            (And feddit.org works fine for me, it's one of the instances with the highest uptime).

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            • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI [email protected]

              Surely has to be https://sopuli.xyz/

              The admin is a Finn, although the servers are technically in Germany.

              Also it's extra cool because it's one of the true OG Lemmy servers, founded in June 2021.

              quentincallaghan@sopuli.xyzQ This user is from outside of this forum
              quentincallaghan@sopuli.xyzQ This user is from outside of this forum
              [email protected]
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              Actually Sopuli was founded in February 2021. Few months after Lemmy's federation got out of beta phase.

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              • quentincallaghan@sopuli.xyzQ [email protected]

                Actually Sopuli was founded in February 2021. Few months after Lemmy's federation got out of beta phase.

                imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI This user is from outside of this forum
                imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                Wow, TIL.

                I based that off fedidb but it seems to be very inaccurate. Obviously it wasn't tracking until a certain point in Lemmy development.

                I'll make a list of the major instances from before the APIcalpyse of June 2023 that are still active. For the Lemmy historians 🧐. I'm mostly basing this by the top admin account on each server, because the admins are listed in order of seniority in the sidebar.

                • lemmy.ml - Apr 2019
                • lemmygrad - Aug 2019
                • hexbear/chapo - July 2020
                • szmer.info - Aug 2020
                • lemmy.ca - Dec 2020
                • sopuli.xyz - Feb 2021
                • midwest.social - Aug 2021
                • mander.xyz - Dec 2021
                • beehaw.org - Jan 2022
                • slrpnk.net - April 2022
                • feddit.it - May 2022
                • lemmy.blahaj.zone - Jan 2023
                • infosec.pub - May 2023

                Honorable mention to feddit.de which was an early instance too IIRC and now lives on in feddit.org

                This is largely just an interesting piece of trivia, but also somewhat notable because servers generally don't federate content from before they were founded. So the older servers will have local copies of posts and comments from the early days of Lemmy.

                For instance @[email protected] actually has 2.37k posts and 1.73k comments. But sh.itjust.works only caches about 850/800 posts/comments from that account, because we only joined the network in June 2023.

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                • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI [email protected]

                  Surely has to be https://sopuli.xyz/

                  The admin is a Finn, although the servers are technically in Germany.

                  Also it's extra cool because it's one of the true OG Lemmy servers, founded in June 2021.

                  blackn1ght@feddit.ukB This user is from outside of this forum
                  blackn1ght@feddit.ukB This user is from outside of this forum
                  [email protected]
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  According to Google translate, "sopuli" in Finnish means "lemming"

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                  • santeri@feddit.orgS [email protected]

                    Dear Fediversalists,

                    I am new here. I moderate a 50 000 members Finnish language Facebook group on no-fly travelling since 2015. I want to reduce our dependence on billionaire owned media, so we are trying to start an expansion here on the free side. I learned about Feddit.org and founded the community https://feddit.org/c/maatapitkinmatkustus.

                    Do you think this was the best move to make? Maybe we should move to another instance before our community grows too big here?

                    There are some issues I am unsure about. First, I have realised after having created the Finnish language community, that feddit.org is listed as a local instance of German speaking countries and so I could not choose Finnish as the community language, I had to “officially” choose English and German instead, though we are discussing in Finnish in the community.

                    Second, I do not know how big our community could grow on this server. Maybe the server will decide some day that there is no room for us anymore?

                    Third, I am concerned about how Feddit.org is going. I just installed Voyager, but I cannot connect to Feddit.org. I could connect to any other instance with it. What if the server has to close – would our community disappear with all the data?

                    On the other hand, I am happy using Lemmy. The user interface is easy and intuitive (maybe because I happen to belong to the net forums and blogs reader generation). So what would you recommend to a Finnish language group with a potential to grow to (tens of) thousands?

                    M This user is from outside of this forum
                    M This user is from outside of this forum
                    [email protected]
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    Finnish group for no-fly travelling

                    Out of curiosity, does it always start with a boat trip?

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                    • santeri@feddit.orgS [email protected]

                      Dear Fediversalists,

                      I am new here. I moderate a 50 000 members Finnish language Facebook group on no-fly travelling since 2015. I want to reduce our dependence on billionaire owned media, so we are trying to start an expansion here on the free side. I learned about Feddit.org and founded the community https://feddit.org/c/maatapitkinmatkustus.

                      Do you think this was the best move to make? Maybe we should move to another instance before our community grows too big here?

                      There are some issues I am unsure about. First, I have realised after having created the Finnish language community, that feddit.org is listed as a local instance of German speaking countries and so I could not choose Finnish as the community language, I had to “officially” choose English and German instead, though we are discussing in Finnish in the community.

                      Second, I do not know how big our community could grow on this server. Maybe the server will decide some day that there is no room for us anymore?

                      Third, I am concerned about how Feddit.org is going. I just installed Voyager, but I cannot connect to Feddit.org. I could connect to any other instance with it. What if the server has to close – would our community disappear with all the data?

                      On the other hand, I am happy using Lemmy. The user interface is easy and intuitive (maybe because I happen to belong to the net forums and blogs reader generation). So what would you recommend to a Finnish language group with a potential to grow to (tens of) thousands?

                      O This user is from outside of this forum
                      O This user is from outside of this forum
                      [email protected]
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #11

                      I don't have any recommendations, but I'm sharing information about train travel through a Mastodon account in Swedish https://mastodonsweden.se/@interrailinfosvenska I wish you good luck creating a new community in the Fediverse! And I have posted a challenge for a similar thing in Sweden.

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                      • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI [email protected]

                        Wow, TIL.

                        I based that off fedidb but it seems to be very inaccurate. Obviously it wasn't tracking until a certain point in Lemmy development.

                        I'll make a list of the major instances from before the APIcalpyse of June 2023 that are still active. For the Lemmy historians 🧐. I'm mostly basing this by the top admin account on each server, because the admins are listed in order of seniority in the sidebar.

                        • lemmy.ml - Apr 2019
                        • lemmygrad - Aug 2019
                        • hexbear/chapo - July 2020
                        • szmer.info - Aug 2020
                        • lemmy.ca - Dec 2020
                        • sopuli.xyz - Feb 2021
                        • midwest.social - Aug 2021
                        • mander.xyz - Dec 2021
                        • beehaw.org - Jan 2022
                        • slrpnk.net - April 2022
                        • feddit.it - May 2022
                        • lemmy.blahaj.zone - Jan 2023
                        • infosec.pub - May 2023

                        Honorable mention to feddit.de which was an early instance too IIRC and now lives on in feddit.org

                        This is largely just an interesting piece of trivia, but also somewhat notable because servers generally don't federate content from before they were founded. So the older servers will have local copies of posts and comments from the early days of Lemmy.

                        For instance @[email protected] actually has 2.37k posts and 1.73k comments. But sh.itjust.works only caches about 850/800 posts/comments from that account, because we only joined the network in June 2023.

                        alphane_moon@lemmy.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
                        alphane_moon@lemmy.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
                        [email protected]
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #12

                        This is largely just an interesting piece of trivia, but also somewhat notable because servers generally don’t federate content from before they were founded. So the older servers will have local copies of posts and comments from the early days of Lemmy.

                        This seems like a somewhat sane default, but it would be good if instances had the options to get all of the older historical posts as well. I don't think it would make a big difference for say LW.

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                        • M [email protected]

                          Finnish group for no-fly travelling

                          Out of curiosity, does it always start with a boat trip?

                          santeri@feddit.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
                          santeri@feddit.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #13

                          No, not always – those living in the very north can take a train through Sweden. And it is always possible to travel domestically – Finland is a large country! But, of course, most journeys include seaways.

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                          • O [email protected]

                            I don't have any recommendations, but I'm sharing information about train travel through a Mastodon account in Swedish https://mastodonsweden.se/@interrailinfosvenska I wish you good luck creating a new community in the Fediverse! And I have posted a challenge for a similar thing in Sweden.

                            santeri@feddit.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
                            santeri@feddit.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #14

                            Bra! I'll follow you there.

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                            • santeri@feddit.orgS [email protected]

                              Dear Fediversalists,

                              I am new here. I moderate a 50 000 members Finnish language Facebook group on no-fly travelling since 2015. I want to reduce our dependence on billionaire owned media, so we are trying to start an expansion here on the free side. I learned about Feddit.org and founded the community https://feddit.org/c/maatapitkinmatkustus.

                              Do you think this was the best move to make? Maybe we should move to another instance before our community grows too big here?

                              There are some issues I am unsure about. First, I have realised after having created the Finnish language community, that feddit.org is listed as a local instance of German speaking countries and so I could not choose Finnish as the community language, I had to “officially” choose English and German instead, though we are discussing in Finnish in the community.

                              Second, I do not know how big our community could grow on this server. Maybe the server will decide some day that there is no room for us anymore?

                              Third, I am concerned about how Feddit.org is going. I just installed Voyager, but I cannot connect to Feddit.org. I could connect to any other instance with it. What if the server has to close – would our community disappear with all the data?

                              On the other hand, I am happy using Lemmy. The user interface is easy and intuitive (maybe because I happen to belong to the net forums and blogs reader generation). So what would you recommend to a Finnish language group with a potential to grow to (tens of) thousands?

                              T This user is from outside of this forum
                              T This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #15

                              This group sounds great. Unfortunately, I don't read Finnish. Is there an equivalent group in English anywhere on Lemmy?

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                              • santeri@feddit.orgS [email protected]

                                Dear Fediversalists,

                                I am new here. I moderate a 50 000 members Finnish language Facebook group on no-fly travelling since 2015. I want to reduce our dependence on billionaire owned media, so we are trying to start an expansion here on the free side. I learned about Feddit.org and founded the community https://feddit.org/c/maatapitkinmatkustus.

                                Do you think this was the best move to make? Maybe we should move to another instance before our community grows too big here?

                                There are some issues I am unsure about. First, I have realised after having created the Finnish language community, that feddit.org is listed as a local instance of German speaking countries and so I could not choose Finnish as the community language, I had to “officially” choose English and German instead, though we are discussing in Finnish in the community.

                                Second, I do not know how big our community could grow on this server. Maybe the server will decide some day that there is no room for us anymore?

                                Third, I am concerned about how Feddit.org is going. I just installed Voyager, but I cannot connect to Feddit.org. I could connect to any other instance with it. What if the server has to close – would our community disappear with all the data?

                                On the other hand, I am happy using Lemmy. The user interface is easy and intuitive (maybe because I happen to belong to the net forums and blogs reader generation). So what would you recommend to a Finnish language group with a potential to grow to (tens of) thousands?

                                santeri@feddit.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #16

                                Thank you so much for all your advice! I have already contacted Sopuli. I'll make an account there as my first step.

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                                • alphane_moon@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                  This is largely just an interesting piece of trivia, but also somewhat notable because servers generally don’t federate content from before they were founded. So the older servers will have local copies of posts and comments from the early days of Lemmy.

                                  This seems like a somewhat sane default, but it would be good if instances had the options to get all of the older historical posts as well. I don't think it would make a big difference for say LW.

                                  imaqtpie@sh.itjust.worksI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #17

                                  I agree, I think Lemmy should add an option to fetch all the historical posts from a remote community. Right now it just starts federating from when the first person subscribes to that community, but it would be better if it was retroactive.

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                                    This group sounds great. Unfortunately, I don't read Finnish. Is there an equivalent group in English anywhere on Lemmy?

                                    emperor@feddit.ukE This user is from outside of this forum
                                    emperor@feddit.ukE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Not really. There are things dedicated to specific modes of transport, [email protected], [email protected], etc but nothing for the whole category.

                                    If you'd like to see something like this, I'd recommend starting [email protected].

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                                    • emperor@feddit.ukE [email protected]

                                      Not really. There are things dedicated to specific modes of transport, [email protected], [email protected], etc but nothing for the whole category.

                                      If you'd like to see something like this, I'd recommend starting [email protected].

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                                      T This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      Thank you!

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