Piefed has feeds now!
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Communities want more discoverability to get more members that post relevant things. This does the opposite and actively hides the specific community from potential posters while increasing the noise in the comments.
I think people really need to have some serious thought about the consequences of what they are asking for. These feeds, similar to algorithmic recommendations of commercial social media, increase engagement (a dubious metric, primarily interesting for advertisers) but not discoverability.
That's some really distorted understanding of "discoverability" that you have in your head. Sorry for your loss.
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This is huge. Thank you to everyone involved.
Trying it right now, it's pretty sweet
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Yes, that is high on the agenda.
Is there a plan to implement the possibility of a downvote free experience? Kind of like an instance disabling downvotes does on native lemmy?
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That's some really distorted understanding of "discoverability" that you have in your head. Sorry for your loss.
Words have a meaning you know? "Discoverability" comes from "discover", which discribes an act of looking for something and not having something pushed into your field of view with minimal own effort.
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Trying it right now, it's pretty sweet
new blaze account?
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Words have a meaning you know? "Discoverability" comes from "discover", which discribes an act of looking for something and not having something pushed into your field of view with minimal own effort.
This is what I was referring to, your understanding is distorted because BOTH fall under the discoverability. You're bending the reality around you so that it fits your agenda ignoring literally anything that is said to you. The communities aren't forced upon you either as it's you choosing which feeds you follow the exact same way posts are added to a community you follow so they're not forced upon you buddy. Or what, should we get rid of communities as well? XDD Let's go back to microblogging where we can scream into the void that we can't navigate through due to almost nothing of organisation besides the tags maybe that can't even be moderated unlike communities/feeds. I guess we should get rid of the concept of tags too given your perspective on organisaton and discoverability of things you're interested in? Some of your points are valid but a lot of them are incoherent and ignore reality. Some of the suggestions are terrible for everyone out there too due to ignoring that reality. I'd work great if the world worked the way you perceive it through your mind.
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Communities want more discoverability to get more members that post relevant things. This does the opposite and actively hides the specific community from potential posters while increasing the noise in the comments.
I think people really need to have some serious thought about the consequences of what they are asking for. These feeds, similar to algorithmic recommendations of commercial social media, increase engagement (a dubious metric, primarily interesting for advertisers) but not discoverability.
In one sense this does nothing that other avenues don't already.
But I do start to see what you mean. Making communities available not just individually but en mass like this will encourage people to not read the side-bar text of each specific community, to see how e.g. its goals may not be aligned with all the other echo chambers and/or debate clubs present in the Fediverse, and instead start treating all communities within a feed as being equally the same.
A fact which PieFed worsens by not describing well the community name. e.g. you may read "c/Fediverse" - but what is that really? Several clicks away, possibly having to go all the way to the home instance in some cases where the short nickname doesn't match the longer one (and all the more so if there are spaces within the latter), you may find that it means something like [email protected] - but just reading "c/Fediverse" isn't enough to be able to tell that apart from some other c/Fediverse somewhere else.
Except you can, by simply clicking the post. Not on the feed page, but in the individual post, at the top you can see the full community name - e.g. this example shows Home -> Topics -> Fediverse -> [email protected].
And then as you scroll down, you can read the exact side-bar text, with all the explanation, rules, list of moderators, engagement stats, etc., like the one above begins with:
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's (sic) related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).
And then further below that, a list of Related communities, which I'm not sure but perhaps those are the ones that define that Topic?
So all the information that I think you were wanting people to have access to is there, not on the Topic/Feed page themselves but rather on the individual posts.
Though you are probably right that it could increase more naive engagement, by people who don't read things. Still, this is a new feature that was not available before, and when even newer features continue to be added it will get better still, like if a setting could be added by a moderator of a community to indicate a desire for it not to be included in such multi-communities. Although even the latter may want to be not a hard cutoff and rather a double-check label - perhaps an example could be a community welcoming to trans people first and about technology second, so it should not be conjoined into a multi-community for technology feeds, yet it may be fine to combine it along with other trans communities? Also, if a particular user wants to make like 5 feeds for their own personal usage, and they have put in the effort to read about each one individually, then this feature is very useful for such a person.
Even while people may also use it naively as well, yes. On the other hand, there are fewer than 300 people that use PieFed (see stats), so the immediate effect likely will not be overwhelming, and there is time to add new features before PieFed becomes more mainstream.
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Is there a plan to implement the possibility of a downvote free experience? Kind of like an instance disabling downvotes does on native lemmy?
Yes, that's a setting that admins can choose for the entire instance. Also if downvotes are on then at the community level mods can choose whether to accept downvotes from members, the current instance, trusted instances or everywhere.
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I appreciate your words of caution. Remember this feature is very new and will no doubt get a lot more finesse added in future. There's no point building some baroque all singing-all-dancing perfect thing unless we're sure people will use it and by releasing earlier we get valuable feedback which determines whether we continue building that feature at all, etc.
Have you considered a UX similar to old reddit for this? where you hover over the join button with the mouse and it gives you the option to create a feed or add and remove to a feed?
I actually checked multiple times and could not find it (but admittedly maybe that is my mistake and not a real problem with discoverability).
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Have you considered a UX similar to old reddit for this? where you hover over the join button with the mouse and it gives you the option to create a feed or add and remove to a feed?
I actually checked multiple times and could not find it (but admittedly maybe that is my mistake and not a real problem with discoverability).
Interesting, thanks!
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Hmm so the
Feedactor mainly consists of a following collection and uses Add/Remove activities. This really sounds like it should be aCollectionand not an actor.Possibly. At the end of the day it's all just JSON.
Here is more detail - https://codeberg.org/JollyDevelopment/fep/src/branch/jollydev/fep-1d80/fep/1d80/fep-1d80.md
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I missed this at first as well, but the "Create a Feed" button (colored almost the same as the background for some odd reason, using the PieFed theme) is accessible to you as a user, not simply an admin. So if you wanted let's say [email protected] and [email protected] but not [email protected], then you could do that. You probably should name it something appropriate like technology2, but mainly I mean that you are not limited to Feeds created by other people: the whole point of this is that now you can create your own (if you want to that is, or perhaps someone will have already done so).
Thanks, I assumed they were centrally created but if they are user customizable this does make it a bit more appealing, although at that point it’s not hugely different from the way subscriptions work now. Could have some use cases though.
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