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  • B [email protected]

    Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

    Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

    As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

    The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

    Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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    Ya ok but this isn't a doomsday thing, we used to build our own servers before and lots of people know how to do it still.

    All AWS and the like do is remove the hardware for the consumer and add some APIs.

    Doesn't sound as scary to me as the article paints. The only hard part would be the migration 😅

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    • P [email protected]

      All that would do is get Jeff Bezos to hire a hitman to take out Trump.

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      I’m not hearing a problem here

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      • B [email protected]

        Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

        Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

        As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

        The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

        Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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        I mean, there are servers in European countries, couldn't they just nationalize the servers and continue as usual?

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        • B [email protected]

          Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

          Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

          As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

          The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

          Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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          I hope this means people finally start to see the danger of centralization.

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            Ya ok but this isn't a doomsday thing, we used to build our own servers before and lots of people know how to do it still.

            All AWS and the like do is remove the hardware for the consumer and add some APIs.

            Doesn't sound as scary to me as the article paints. The only hard part would be the migration 😅

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            Yeah. That's literally the whole point of "the cloud" it can be anywhere.

            The EU has lots of places with available renewable energy.

            Hook up a couple servers to some dams. With "free" electricity it'll be almost impossible to not end up being cheaper than Amazon in the long run.

            Like, I'm struggling to see how this would be a bad thing long term. Relying on American corporations just isn't a rational choice anymore

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              I mean, there are servers in European countries, couldn't they just nationalize the servers and continue as usual?

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              The servers would stop working the moment the US “pulls the plug.” Nationalization would not secure service, that would only secure non-functional hardware

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                The servers would stop working the moment the US “pulls the plug.” Nationalization would not secure service, that would only secure non-functional hardware

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                The hardware is here. The entire hecking infrastructure is here. Making it work might not be as easy as flipping a switch, but it is definitely not impossible lol

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                • B [email protected]

                  Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                  Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                  As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                  The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                  Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                  If we get tot get point Trump is cutting off the world's internet, I'd be more concerned about the nukes about to fly.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                    Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                    As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                    The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                    Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                    Can we pull the plug on Trump already? I swear this timeline is a cruel joke.

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                    • B [email protected]

                      Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                      Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                      As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                      The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                      Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                      Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google...

                      Do it! What are you waiting for? Do it!

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                      • B [email protected]

                        Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                        Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                        As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                        The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                        Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                        Well. do it. We'll see.

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                          Yeah. That's literally the whole point of "the cloud" it can be anywhere.

                          The EU has lots of places with available renewable energy.

                          Hook up a couple servers to some dams. With "free" electricity it'll be almost impossible to not end up being cheaper than Amazon in the long run.

                          Like, I'm struggling to see how this would be a bad thing long term. Relying on American corporations just isn't a rational choice anymore

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                          Hook up a couple servers to some dams.

                          As someone who works in IT, I love the optimism of making it sound this simple. Things that I expect to take 10 minutes can end up taking weeks, because there's always a surprising answer to "How complicated could it be?"

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                          • B [email protected]

                            Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                            Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                            As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                            The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                            Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                            For one, servers running Amazon's ECS/EKS can switch to self-managed Kubernetes.

                            Even if Trump is bluffing as usual, European governments and local councils should get the hint that the tech hegemony Google Amazon Apple and Microsoft is going to be used as an arm of the US government.

                            Time to switch! Wololo

                            Richard stallman, Saint IGNUtias of the Church of Emacs

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                            • S [email protected]

                              Can we pull the plug on Trump already? I swear this timeline is a cruel joke.

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                              It’s purgatory

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                              • P [email protected]

                                All that would do is get Jeff Bezos to hire a hitman to take out Trump.

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                                I know an Italian guy who might be down

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                                • B [email protected]

                                  Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                                  Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                                  As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                                  The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                                  Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                                  Oh but Europe can do something about it, it would only take a long time and be very costly.

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                                  • B [email protected]

                                    Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                                    Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                                    As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                                    The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                                    Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                                    Our own internet without Americans? Where do I sign up?

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                                    • B [email protected]

                                      Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                                      Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                                      As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                                      The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                                      Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                                      Misleading title. It's really about cloud services. And Europe is already working on making itself independent of American cloud services.

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                                      • F [email protected]

                                        Hook up a couple servers to some dams.

                                        As someone who works in IT, I love the optimism of making it sound this simple. Things that I expect to take 10 minutes can end up taking weeks, because there's always a surprising answer to "How complicated could it be?"

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                                        Wouldn't want to be that PM!

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                                        • B [email protected]

                                          Trump is back — and with him, the risk that the U.S. could unplug Europe from the digital world.

                                          Donald Trump’s return to the White House is forcing Europe to reckon with a major digital vulnerability: The U.S. holds a kill switch over its internet.

                                          As the U.S. administration raises the stakes in a geopolitical poker game that began when Trump started his trade war, Europeans are waking up to the fact that years of over-reliance on a handful of U.S. tech giants have given Washington a winning hand.

                                          The fatal vulnerability is Europe’s near-total dependency on U.S. cloud providers.

                                          Cloud computing is the lifeblood of the internet, powering everything from the emails we send and videos we stream to industrial data processing and government communications. Just three American behemoths — Amazon, Microsoft, and Google — hold more than two-thirds of the regional market, putting Europe’s online existence in the hands of firms cozying up to the U.S. president to fend off looming regulations and fines.

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                                          Oh, yes please!

                                          It would be disastrous at first, but Europe would recover much stronger than before.

                                          We would have to do a lot to catch up but the seeds are there and they cannot grow because they are in the shadow of the US industry.

                                          The US giants have money and userbase to outperform anything Europe has at the moment and when they cannot outperform some company, they buy it. If Trump ever tries to cut US Tech off, European companies would grow rapidly to fill the void.

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