Did PewDiePie Just Crack the Code for How to Present Libre Software?
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There's plenty of neo-nazis in the Free Software movement. It's "Free Software", not "Free People"
Nazis are everywhere, not just OSS. Never seen one in OSS though
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...racist? ive read that description in the screenshot twice. what part is specifically racist?
It's just jingoistic drivel, same as all of Trump's China crap. Implying the phone has better privacy because it's made in the US.
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I have asked a few times why PDP deserves all the hate. The best answer I got is "look it up yourself". I did, and the only things I found were many years old, and in each instance (of which there aren't that many) he apologized publicly and acknowledged that things got out of hand. To me, his apologies seem sincere and genuine - none of that "I'm sorry I got caught" bullshit that actual scumbags are known for.
I don't watch PewDiePie but he's alright best I can tell. If I've missed something, please let me know what that is, and be specific because I genuinely can't find it.
I used to watch him years ago. He has a very young and impressionable audience which he constantly feeds memes with right-wing rethoric.
To list a few of the stuff I remember:
- He said the N word hard R;
- He paid people on Fiverr to show a sign saying "Death to all Jews" or something like that, where he laughed at the reveal. He said it was to prove a point that you could do harmful shit with that type of online service, but all it ended up doing was getting the guys banned from the platform and served to signal to Nazis that he would host such content;
- He allowed right-wingers to fester in his community, 4chan specially really liked the guy;
- He hosted both Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk in his channel for a "meme review";
- He has stated multiple times that his favorite author is Mishima, a Japanese fascist, not only in the past, but also in the last year at least;
- He used to stream on some crypto bullshit site, which I don't remember the name;
- His whole campaign against the Indian conglomerate T-Series lead not only to racist comments but also to a very racist music video he did;
- The Christchurch shooter mentioned him in a video. And while being mentioned by a shooter doesn't necessarily mean he's an issue, in this case it's extremely relevant since it's pretty clear that is a byproduct of his politics and the community he has.
There's probably much more that I either don't remember or don't know about, but this is more than enough to understand where he stands politically and the harm he causes.
I also recommend the video: The PewDiePipeline.
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i feel like you missed the time between 1990 and 2005 when american libertarians caused a schism in the free software movement by popularising open source.
You got a problem with open source? In /c/opensource?
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I used to watch him years ago. He has a very young and impressionable audience which he constantly feeds memes with right-wing rethoric.
To list a few of the stuff I remember:
- He said the N word hard R;
- He paid people on Fiverr to show a sign saying "Death to all Jews" or something like that, where he laughed at the reveal. He said it was to prove a point that you could do harmful shit with that type of online service, but all it ended up doing was getting the guys banned from the platform and served to signal to Nazis that he would host such content;
- He allowed right-wingers to fester in his community, 4chan specially really liked the guy;
- He hosted both Ben Shapiro and Elon Musk in his channel for a "meme review";
- He has stated multiple times that his favorite author is Mishima, a Japanese fascist, not only in the past, but also in the last year at least;
- He used to stream on some crypto bullshit site, which I don't remember the name;
- His whole campaign against the Indian conglomerate T-Series lead not only to racist comments but also to a very racist music video he did;
- The Christchurch shooter mentioned him in a video. And while being mentioned by a shooter doesn't necessarily mean he's an issue, in this case it's extremely relevant since it's pretty clear that is a byproduct of his politics and the community he has.
There's probably much more that I either don't remember or don't know about, but this is more than enough to understand where he stands politically and the harm he causes.
I also recommend the video: The PewDiePipeline.
You could accuse that "he inspired the Christchurch shooter," but c'mon just being mentioned by a bad guy isn't in and of itself a bad thing.
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You could accuse that "he inspired the Christchurch shooter," but c'mon just being mentioned by a bad guy isn't in and of itself a bad thing.
If you can't see how he hosting Shapiro and Musk, using right wing memes and rethoric, endorsing a fascist author, and allowing Nazis and other right-wingers to fester in his community is directly related with why that POS shooter mentioned him, that is precisely the problem.
That's a common excuse used to defend the guy over and over again like it is just some isolated incident and not connected to the content he produces and the community he fosters.
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You got a problem with open source? In /c/opensource?
i've got a problem with what ESR calls open source.
like, the fact that free software is inherently political has been explored elsewhere in the thread, but the term "open source" was started by people who wanted to distance themselves from the free software movement due to them disliking that it was anti-commercial. the open source movement wanted more companies to adopt their code, in contrast to the GNU people trying to stop their work being absorbed into the old big iron.
and they won.
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The fact that PewDiePie might have a right-leaning following, that he acquired by himself leaning right, which he now exposes to Freedom, using Libre Software, might actually be a good thing. Since exposing yourself to the philosophy of Free Software eventually leads to human rights and thus to the left, in a way. If PewDiePie course-correcting to the left like this, taking his enormous subscriber-base with him, IMO it is very good.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]"right leaning" is one hell of a way to describe a fucking outright neo nazi...
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There is evidence already in that video that suggests that he is starting to lean more left. Like he pointed out the ecological issues with AI. Even though he did say "I don't like to be that guy" before saying that.
It seems like he is already doing some doubts and thinking that are signs of moving the left direction.
I'm trying to be the optimist here. If we want not just PewDiePie, but his subscribe-base to change sides, we need him to be extra careful and extra soft with this sort of change. He seem to know how to form good streams of thoughts and convincing narratives. This would take some serious carefulness on his part. And it seems like he is already taking small steps to do that.
I'm sorry no. He is not leaning more left he's just an opportunistic crypto fascist.
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Mate, are you really just gonna keep moving the goalposts and doing this subpar jordan peterson fan shit?
Imagine being this pathetically tied to a youtuber, holy shit.
"Keep moving the goalposts"?
Mate this is my first comment in this comment chain.
And it does make a difference to me personally if someone said something before a very public turnaround 5 years ago, or recently after this change -
I'm sorry no. He is not leaning more left he's just an opportunistic crypto fascist.
I see him more as your typical edgelord who did enable a lot of shitty fascists, idk if he is an ideological fascist though.
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I see him more as your typical edgelord who did enable a lot of shitty fascists, idk if he is an ideological fascist though.
He said the N word on stream, in a "heated gamer moment". I have never ever said that word in private or otherwise, leading me to believe that is not his first time or last.
He paid poor people in India on fiver to hold a sign saying "kill the jews"
In his apology video he wore a shirt with a fucking iron cross on the collar.
He is a Nazi and to continue to hem and haw about whether he is or isn't is exactly what crypto fascist losers like him want you to do.
PewDiePie is a Nazi. Stop carrying water for Nazis.
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A lot of the times when people hear of Richard Stallman, or other people, who correctly state that all proprietary software is absolutely inexcusable, they feel pressured. Which makes them recoil and distance themselves from those types of ideas. If you need to suddenly re-learn the entire way you are using the computer, and you may have certain habits, or certain things you rely on, or enjoy very much, either games, or software, or in case of PewDiePie, the platform he is on. You will automatically feel like whatever these Stallmans are asking from you is so absurdly hard for you to do, that you don't even consider it. More than that, to protect yourself from that hard work, you come up with a bunch of reasons, to not even engage in that idea. Which creates an opposition. And it is not something that we want.
It's not just that, the overbearing FOSS mentality, from Stallmans corner of that world, is that you need to take a damn political position on software to be able to interact with other people that use it.
Which in itself is not actually true, but if you approach it like this with non-technical types then they will rightly and instinctively balk at both the software and you.
Bringing people to FOSS should be the same as bringing them to any other software, and if the ideology behind it is so self-evidently true then - by its own standard - it won't need significant petitioning to convince them they should use more of it for ethical reasons as well as to meet their needs. This is software, not Amway. They're trying to write a word document, not to join a cult.
The challenge is that we're not just selling software, we're selling an idea - the idea that users deserve control over their computing. We're not competing on the proprietary software marketplace, we're offering an alternative to it.
We are already seeing the proprietary software world enshittify. More and more "non-tech" people are looking for a way out. The challenge is to demonstrate that these problems are inherent to the world of proprietary software and not just because "Google is evil."
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If you can't see how he hosting Shapiro and Musk, using right wing memes and rethoric, endorsing a fascist author, and allowing Nazis and other right-wingers to fester in his community is directly related with why that POS shooter mentioned him, that is precisely the problem.
That's a common excuse used to defend the guy over and over again like it is just some isolated incident and not connected to the content he produces and the community he fosters.
I didn't say that. I said you did not push the accusation. Instead you weaseled out by saying he was "mentioned."
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I didn't say that. I said you did not push the accusation. Instead you weaseled out by saying he was "mentioned."
Yes because in this case it's relevant. You are right that being mentioned by a bad person is not necessarily proof of anything. But like I said, in this case it is connected to the content and community that PewDiePie has.
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It's just jingoistic drivel, same as all of Trump's China crap. Implying the phone has better privacy because it's made in the US.
but what specifically makes this racist? I'm failing to see any example of it in the text you initially showed.
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The fact that PewDiePie might have a right-leaning following, that he acquired by himself leaning right, which he now exposes to Freedom, using Libre Software, might actually be a good thing. Since exposing yourself to the philosophy of Free Software eventually leads to human rights and thus to the left, in a way. If PewDiePie course-correcting to the left like this, taking his enormous subscriber-base with him, IMO it is very good.
I'm not saying that right means freedom but what makes you think that left means freedom?
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Mate, are you really just gonna keep moving the goalposts and doing this subpar jordan peterson fan shit?
Imagine being this pathetically tied to a youtuber, holy shit.
Mate, did "the left" eat your brain that much that you blame completely different person for things they didn't do?
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"right leaning" is one hell of a way to describe a fucking outright neo nazi...
I see a few people keep saying that, but how so? What has he done that's neo Nazis like? Not that I follow the guy or what he does so I may be missing things but the only controversy I can remember that could be considered Nazis like was when he paid some fiver people to make a video saying death to all Jews.
Now I get how that could be considered Nazi like but he said it was a joke and to show that people will do anything for money, and I believe him and thought the joke was funny. So I guess I'm a neo nazi too if that's it. Obviously it's a "bad" joke but but it was shocking in a funny way, atleast to me at the time. Given you're from hexbear I figured you'd find it funny too
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I'm not saying that right means freedom but what makes you think that left means freedom?
Maybe the fact that the left supports improved working rights, unionisation, free education, equality of opportunities and between nations, freer borders for people...
