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Trump announces tariffs of 30% on the European Union, starting August 1.

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    USA is namba waan!

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    • V [email protected]

      In ideal world EU should agree on a handful of red state exports on which we'd apply say 10%, let the US exporters explain their president why that's wrong and only then enter the negotiations with the US and whatever then the outcome is GET IT IN THE WRITING with his signature.

      Yes, he would then try to blame the "evil EU", but having a written and signed agreement is the only way to prevent this monthly "it's on - and now it's off" charade.

      Now unfortunately even if anybody had the balls to actually propose it there is too many actors who would shoot any such proposal down. Be it because of fear for their exports or just to be contrarian.

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      Getting something in writing and signed by Trump isn't worth much. He'll still change his mind and tear it up next week.

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      • E [email protected]

        These Tariffs may be modified, upward or downward, depending on our relationship with your Country.

        First, what the fuck is that random capitalization?

        Second, so your giving us in writing, that these tariffs may will be modified at will if you feel so.

        Third, which country are you talking about? Europe is a continent. EU is a union of independent countries/nations.

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        At first I thought it might be a standing point for Orbán to point out that they want this (but the bad EU, yadda yadda), but after actually reading that garbage of a propaganda piece, I can only imagine that part is boiler-plate, and noone along the chain caught it or could be bothered with correcting it.

        Trump is serving up the distmantling of most US soft powers. Like how is this not a game of chicken for us to bunch up on Ireland and tell them no more fucking around with appl and alphabet. I'd love nothing more than a third level bureaucrat tucked away in Strassbourg to calculate exactly how much societal and global harm these companies cause. We could shift that into dollars (somehow?), and make sure they pay that tax, or we start filtering their sites. I rarely believe restriction is the way to go, but nothing would really be lost here.

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          What is even fucking going on? It feels like a child touching random shit on their parents phone, opening apps and accidently calling and buying things. Meanwhile the rest of the world just goes wtf.

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            It’s like half a month so he can go back and forth 2-3 times. Let’s see.

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            It's so much back and forth all the time, that I don't even know anymore what the current tariff rate is. 10%? None? Probably not even worth remembering though, because it changes all the time randomly anyway

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            • zacryon@feddit.orgZ [email protected]

              USA is namba waan!

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              They are on the way to become better than namba 1...at this rate they're going to become namba zero.

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                Is that supposed to be English?

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                they should get the president of Liberia to translate

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                  This may be a stupid question, but... is "Excellency" used in a presidential context?:| I've only ever known it to be used when talking about monarchy and the Pope...

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                  What do you mean? A monarch is generally addressed as ‘Majesty’ or ‘(Royal) Highness’ (depending on rank), the Pope is addressed as ‘Holiness’. ‘Excellency’ is generally used for civil titles; I don’t think it’s strange to use ‘Excellency’ for the President of the European Commission. What would you use otherwise, ‘Miss President’ or something? That seems really over the top to me.

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                    Does he sign in fucking sharpie

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                    What does it even say in the first place. I know it should include either D or Donald and either T or Trump, possibly include J or whatever J stands for. The last teo letter look like ld, but the ones before look like rum, as if he just put something together like DumnldJTummmmld.

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                    • E [email protected]

                      These Tariffs may be modified, upward or downward, depending on our relationship with your Country.

                      First, what the fuck is that random capitalization?

                      Second, so your giving us in writing, that these tariffs may will be modified at will if you feel so.

                      Third, which country are you talking about? Europe is a continent. EU is a union of independent countries/nations.

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                      It's a bit delusional to say that EU countries are truly independent. Yes, any country can independently decide to leave the union – but as long as you're part of it, you give up parts of your independence.

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                        Does he sign in fucking sharpie

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                        Naw, that's a jumbo crayon he borrows from Eric.

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                        • C [email protected]

                          They need to stop pussy-footing around with Trump.

                          He says 30, they need to reciprocate with 60 percent, and will back down to 20 when he cancels the 30.

                          Make it permanently harmful to threaten this bullshit.

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                          It would be more appropriate from Europe to count all the environmental harm corpos like Cocacola get away with and simply start taxing based on the extra strain they cause to society. Give a number and just not budge. It is not hard to deal with this man.

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                            Jesus fuck thats a poorly written letter. The idea behind it is worse though

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                              What a load of cringe.

                              And that second to last sentence is just the cherry on top of the pile of shit. Everybody is already severely disappointed.

                              By the way: Does anyoen know if it's even appropriate to call Von der Leyen "Her Excellency"? It sounds pretty weird to me.

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                                It's a bit delusional to say that EU countries are truly independent. Yes, any country can independently decide to leave the union – but as long as you're part of it, you give up parts of your independence.

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                                Parts, sure, but they also still have separate foreign policy apart from trade. As seen in the American War on Afghanistan for example.

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                                • H [email protected]

                                  So basically they're paying us 30% more for our products? Sure, why not.

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                                  It functions like this:

                                  US American importers pay the tariffs to the US American state.

                                  The effect on EU entities is secondary in nature: The US American importers will either buy less from the EU entities and substitute the rest from other countries or they will try to buy the same more cheaply because they can't keep up their previous value chain when the tariffs are included. Thereby demand for products from the EU will fall, hurting EU based exporters and more indirectly everyone up the chain from there.

                                  It will also hurt the US American importers and more indirectly everyone down the chain from there.

                                  Trump ignores the latter effect, and thinks the money raised for the US American state is more significant than it is. He also lies about the first step, but I think he knows how it really is, sometimes he lets it slip that he actually knows how tariffs work.

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                                  • donantoniomagino@feddit.nlD [email protected]

                                    What do you mean? A monarch is generally addressed as ‘Majesty’ or ‘(Royal) Highness’ (depending on rank), the Pope is addressed as ‘Holiness’. ‘Excellency’ is generally used for civil titles; I don’t think it’s strange to use ‘Excellency’ for the President of the European Commission. What would you use otherwise, ‘Miss President’ or something? That seems really over the top to me.

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                                    Yep, genuinely only ever heard it when talking in a monarchic context, about kings/queens, Lords/Ladies and such, and in a Church context - as mentioned, when referring to the Pope, and Archbishops and such (remembered this latter part only now that I thought about it again).

                                    Funny, "Excellency" is what feels over the top to me, but may be due to the contexts in which I've heard it used - circumstances which have much more pomp and pageantry associated with them.

                                    Anyway, thank you! Learn something new every day!

                                    (yep, still me, this is my second account, trouble getting into the other one, for some reason)

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                                      It's mostly used in an international political context. In the UN, it's what everyone uses, so why not?

                                      Generally, ambassadors and leaders of UN missions get the form of address too, so I guess it makes sense, even if it's a bit archaic.

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                                      Really haven't heard it used in these contexts before! Thank you!

                                      On the plus side, it'll be a while before my brain rewires the context associated with the word, so now I'll amuse myself imagining every political figure addressed as such wearing Pope hats and stuff.

                                      (yep, still me, this is my second account, trouble getting into the other one, for some reason)

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                                        Calling Ursula her "excellency" sounds so weird to me, but apparently that's correct for foreign officials?? Would never have expected that.

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                                        • M [email protected]

                                          You will never be disappointed with The United States of America.

                                          Is the whole thing satire?

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                                          He is saying that if the EU wants to do a trade war the USA will deliver.

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