Mastodon is working to add the controversial 'quote posts' feature | TechCrunch
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It’s a good feature that’s only controversial because it was used on a shitty platform
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It seems the solution is to allow a user to choose whether to be quote-posted, perhaps down to a post-level.
That has implementation hurdles, I’m sure, but I think we should try to build it right this time.
I think you'd need a little more than that to make sure the restriction isn't used defensively by harassers (one of the reasons people ask for this is to show others bad behavior in their replies). But it does feel like a solvable problem.
And Mastodon having more active moderation (since you can proactively look for an instance that meets your moderation expectations) also means the stuff that can't be handled mechanically can be managed.
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What's wrong with quote posts?
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It seems the solution is to allow a user to choose whether to be quote-posted, perhaps down to a post-level.
That has implementation hurdles, I’m sure, but I think we should try to build it right this time.
That's literally what they're doing:
For starters, Mastodon says it will allow users to control whether their posts can be quoted at all. This would protect people from being the recipient of unwanted attention or hateful replies to some extent. (Though, arguably, people could still screenshot someone’s post to circulate it more broadly if they intended to troll the user.)
In addition, users will be notified if someone quotes them, and they’ll be able to withdraw their post from the quoted context at any time. This latter option could help in the case that someone’s quote post goes viral, and the original poster starts to receive too much attention or even abuse, forcing them to reconsider whether they want their post to be quotable at all.
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What's wrong with quote posts?
quote dunking I guess?
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That's literally what they're doing:
For starters, Mastodon says it will allow users to control whether their posts can be quoted at all. This would protect people from being the recipient of unwanted attention or hateful replies to some extent. (Though, arguably, people could still screenshot someone’s post to circulate it more broadly if they intended to troll the user.)
In addition, users will be notified if someone quotes them, and they’ll be able to withdraw their post from the quoted context at any time. This latter option could help in the case that someone’s quote post goes viral, and the original poster starts to receive too much attention or even abuse, forcing them to reconsider whether they want their post to be quotable at all.
Oh, well then that’s good. Yay Mastodon!
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quote dunking I guess?
If I infer from context clues, quote dunking is commenting disparagingly to frame the quoted tweet? I left Twitter in like 2011.
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Good. I get why they were originally resistant to it, but fringe, outlier situations can be dealt with when you have actual mods maintaining things. The reason quote-retweeting was used so heavily for bullying on Twitter was because there were no repercussions for it, and Twitter never enforced their bullying rules for the practice. Mastodon instances have their own mods enforcing their own rules, to a much better degree than Twitter ever has. While the potential for bullying still exists, it's far easier to mitigate on Mastodon.
I'm so confused. How would quoting someone's words bully them? Maybe I'm not getting something. You're talking like I say something on mastodon, you quote what I said, with me attributed to the quote, and that bullys me? Or am I missing something? I feel like I'm missing something.
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I'm glad they're adding it; I also hope that they take Bsky's ability to detach yourself from the quoted post too.
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If I infer from context clues, quote dunking is commenting disparagingly to frame the quoted tweet? I left Twitter in like 2011.
I've never heard the phrase but I'm 10000% positive that's what it means.
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I'm so confused. How would quoting someone's words bully them? Maybe I'm not getting something. You're talking like I say something on mastodon, you quote what I said, with me attributed to the quote, and that bullys me? Or am I missing something? I feel like I'm missing something.
(This is an example.)
Get a load of this idiot! They can't imagine how quoting someone can be bullying!
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It’s a good feature that’s only controversial because it was used on a shitty platform
It was part of what made the platform shitty...
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Aren't Mastodon instances maintained by volunteers in their spare time? I can't imagine how they manage to continue moderating it once there are ten thousand or millions of users on it. At least the moderators on Twitter were paid. It was their job. I think people massively underestimate how much work this is.
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Aren't Mastodon instances maintained by volunteers in their spare time? I can't imagine how they manage to continue moderating it once there are ten thousand or millions of users on it. At least the moderators on Twitter were paid. It was their job. I think people massively underestimate how much work this is.
That's true, but I don't think we'll see that sort of rapid growth on Mastodon. At least not for a while. For now, Bluesky is sucking up most of the users seeking Twitter alternatives. I imagine that the growth will be slow enough that it'll be easy enough for mod teams to scale up to.
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Then we can finally get people to write
Don't subtoot me bro
Is that the controversial part?
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That's true, but I don't think we'll see that sort of rapid growth on Mastodon. At least not for a while. For now, Bluesky is sucking up most of the users seeking Twitter alternatives. I imagine that the growth will be slow enough that it'll be easy enough for mod teams to scale up to.
Also mastodon instances not named mastodon.social are still relatively small.
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Aren't Mastodon instances maintained by volunteers in their spare time? I can't imagine how they manage to continue moderating it once there are ten thousand or millions of users on it. At least the moderators on Twitter were paid. It was their job. I think people massively underestimate how much work this is.
Most instances will stop allowing new accounts to be created when it reaches a certain size that gets difficult to manage (hardware and moderating-wise). They self-regulate that way, and instances that get out of control will just be defederated by the others.
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I'm glad they're adding it; I also hope that they take Bsky's ability to detach yourself from the quoted post too.
They will have that it’s in the article
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Good feature, I don't see any problems.
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Quotes are controversial because Twitter people used it to foster toxicity. However, on Mastodon, we have actually active mods.
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Also, it seems very well implemented, much better than on Twitter: Mastodon says it will allow users to control whether their posts can be quoted. Also, users will be notified if someone quotes them, and they’ll be able to withdraw their post from the quoted context at any time.
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Most importantly, Mastodon has an active developer who responds to feedback, and PULL REQUESTS, ISSUE TRACKERS, AND GITHUB DISCUSSIONS exist!
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If you still completely disagree with this decision, fork the project, create a patch, and start your own server with the patched Mastodon!
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Bluesky has a feature where you can stop someone from quoting your post if you don’t like what they are saying.
