Live updates: Trump announces sweeping tariffs
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Thanks for typing out the percentages, so far I've only seen emotional news reports about it without any detailed info.
Are these tariffs on ALL goods from a certain country? Eg, does 34% on China mean 34% on ALL Chinese goods or just certain ones like cars?
Well, one of two things will happen now.
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The US economy will recede by roughly 30% over the coming years (classified by economists as "catastrophic collapse")
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It will turn out that trade was "fake and gay" all along and autarky is the way to go, despite centuries of historic lessons to the contrary.
Take your pick.
It's all goods from those countries.
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got any legit sources to reference? legitimately curious. I need to know which harmonized codes are excluded.
- Some goods will not be subject to the Reciprocal Tariff. These include: (1) articles subject to 50 USC 1702(b); (2) steel/aluminum articles and autos/auto parts already subject to Section 232 tariffs; (3) copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, and lumber articles; (4) all articles that may become subject to future Section 232 tariffs; (5) bullion; and (6) energy and other certain minerals that are not available in the United States.
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I mean, this will suck in rhe short term, but these companies will exit the U.S. market if it gets to be uneconomical, and we'll be fucked, not them. Trump's I Am sO sMaRt comments all the time will make him look like an even bigger idiot than he already does.
If we actually want manufacturing in the U.S., give companies incentives to do business here. This is the opposite of incentives.
The glue eating rageaholic is doing the opposite of this. He's going to tarrif farming EXPORTS from the US.
Never in our history has america had such a stupid president.
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How are they even coming up with the number all these countries supposedly tariff the US?
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Among the reciprocal tariff levels Trump announced:
China: 34%
European Union: 20%
South Korea: 25%
India: 26%
Vietnam: 46%
Taiwan: 32%
Japan: 24%
Thailand: 36%
Switzerland: 31%
Indonesia: 32%
Malaysia: 24%
Cambodia: 49%
United Kingdom: 10%I don't know what the actual reasoning is but the 49% on Cambodia and Vietnam sounds an awful lot like how we still embargo Cuba like decades after failing to overthrow Castro.
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Thanks for typing out the percentages, so far I've only seen emotional news reports about it without any detailed info.
Are these tariffs on ALL goods from a certain country? Eg, does 34% on China mean 34% on ALL Chinese goods or just certain ones like cars?
Well, one of two things will happen now.
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The US economy will recede by roughly 30% over the coming years (classified by economists as "catastrophic collapse")
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It will turn out that trade was "fake and gay" all along and autarky is the way to go, despite centuries of historic lessons to the contrary.
Take your pick.
30% seems pretty generous. Nevermind the complete collapse of trade and alliances we built over the past century, won't countries stop using the us dollar as the backing reserve? Which will likely set america on an even further downward trend, especially since the dollar isn't on the gold standard anymore?
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Among the reciprocal tariff levels Trump announced:
China: 34%
European Union: 20%
South Korea: 25%
India: 26%
Vietnam: 46%
Taiwan: 32%
Japan: 24%
Thailand: 36%
Switzerland: 31%
Indonesia: 32%
Malaysia: 24%
Cambodia: 49%
United Kingdom: 10% -
I'm all for "it's benefitting the billionaires," and that's what tariffs do, but most of the ultra-wealthy's money is tied up in the market, too.
Some of the administration's actions really are them drinking their own Kool-aid. Like, what they've done to the HHS is objectively detrimental to the ultra-wealthy old guys too.
but most of the ultra-wealthy’s money is tied up in the market, too.
The ultra-wealthy have enough of a buffer to buy out all the middling-wealthy when they go bankrupt. They can buy the dip without themselves going bankrupt.
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by the way that was his first presidency too, he did the same thing.
And, for wrecking their business, had to bail the farmers out with the tariff money lol
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Did it come up with random numbers, or did russian scientists device the percentages in hidden laboratories
Figured out where these fake tariff rates come from that Trump is claiming. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.
So we have a $17.9 billion trade deficit with Indonesia. Its exports to us are $28 billion. $17.9/$28 = 64%, which Trump claims is the tariff rate Indonesia charges us. What extraordinary nonsense this is.
Copied from twitter from someone who’s suffering insomnia right now.
Figured out where these fake tariff rates come from that Trump is claiming. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.
So we have a $17.9 billion trade deficit with Indonesia. Its exports to us are $28 billion. $17.9/$28 = 64%, which Trump claims is the tariff rate Indonesia charges us. What extraordinary nonsense this is.
Source of these trade deficit numbers is in https://www.reddit.com/r/Thailand/s/TKZ68gLs6z
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30% seems pretty generous. Nevermind the complete collapse of trade and alliances we built over the past century, won't countries stop using the us dollar as the backing reserve? Which will likely set america on an even further downward trend, especially since the dollar isn't on the gold standard anymore?
won’t countries stop using the us dollar as the backing reserve
Yeah. Putin's gonna be so pleased.
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Figured out where these fake tariff rates come from that Trump is claiming. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.
So we have a $17.9 billion trade deficit with Indonesia. Its exports to us are $28 billion. $17.9/$28 = 64%, which Trump claims is the tariff rate Indonesia charges us. What extraordinary nonsense this is.
Copied from twitter from someone who’s suffering insomnia right now.
Figured out where these fake tariff rates come from that Trump is claiming. They didn't actually calculate tariff rates + non-tariff barriers, as they say they did. Instead, for every country, they just took our trade deficit with that country and divided it by the country's exports to us.
So we have a $17.9 billion trade deficit with Indonesia. Its exports to us are $28 billion. $17.9/$28 = 64%, which Trump claims is the tariff rate Indonesia charges us. What extraordinary nonsense this is.
Source of these trade deficit numbers is in https://www.reddit.com/r/Thailand/s/TKZ68gLs6z
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Ok to be fair… You may come as long as you’re a queer / trans baddie or if your name is Luigi, or take the “death to America” pledge.
Why would I say that? The country is already dead.
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But like, could I come visit if I need to seek asylum? That would be different than tourism, right? I'm not really happy or comfortable with the situation here, nor have my efforts been able to change other people's views (e.g. make them think about consequences).
Immigrants are welcome, tourists as well.
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Thanks for typing out the percentages, so far I've only seen emotional news reports about it without any detailed info.
Are these tariffs on ALL goods from a certain country? Eg, does 34% on China mean 34% on ALL Chinese goods or just certain ones like cars?
Well, one of two things will happen now.
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The US economy will recede by roughly 30% over the coming years (classified by economists as "catastrophic collapse")
-
It will turn out that trade was "fake and gay" all along and autarky is the way to go, despite centuries of historic lessons to the contrary.
Take your pick.
american juche now!
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Boycott the USA. Do not consume American products. Do not travel to the US. Cancel your subscriptions, find alternatives or pirate their software and media. Make Americans tourists feel unwelcome.
I'm an American, and I endorse this message.
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“our country has been looted, pillaged, raped, plundered”
by other nations selling their goods to us cheaply, and by them accepting our Dollars that cost us nothing to make for it!!
I don't think Trump understands the benefits and privileges for USA of having the top international reserve currency.
But maybe if he ruins it quick enough, he may find out?Play stupid games and win stupid prices.
Buying from other economies does two things. One, you have access to their expertise/efficiency.
Not everyone will have invested in the same industry.
Will miss out on cheap labour. Cheap resources.
Don't be dumb though, selling us USD for our products isn't just "printing paper". We use those USD (mostly we sell the debt to china) to buy USA companies. It's capitalism after all.
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People are saying if you ask ChatGPT the easiest way to do a global tariff based on trade deficits with a minimum of 10 percent - it spits out the exact same numbers.
unable to reproduce this, sorry
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anyone? anyone?
The act and tariffs imposed by U.S.'s trading partners in retaliation [for the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act] were major factors in the reduction of American exports and imports by 67% during the Great Depression.
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I'm an American, and I endorse this message.
Same. Got chickens, veg seeds, and I'm about to buy a bow for hunting my own meat. Fuck the US, time to crack out that survivalism I've been practicing.
