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New Refrigerators, Washing Machines, Furniture and Tires Will All Have to Last Longer, Europe Mandates

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  • S [email protected]

    That's a good argument but doesn't fit the situation. The bad buying decisions can be corrected with market mechanisms. Allow people to finance the products over the entire expected lifetime. Then high quality goods are cheaper and people will choose them.

    Some people speculated that Britain left the EU because they believe in markets whereas many EU countries don't. This could be one of many decisions that put the EU onto a different trajectory. We will see in 20 years if the EU can stay on top of its regulations.

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    Allow people to finance the products over the entire expected lifetime.

    So you want to capture regulation in the name of the banks and whatever presumably private (because markets!!!11) agency does the life expectancy rating while simultaneously letting the manufacturers off the hook warranty-wise. Got you.

    Some people speculated that Britain left the EU because they believe in markets whereas many EU countries don’t.

    Those people are stupid. At least in so far as "they" refers to Britons at large. If with "they" you mean certain nobs and posh folks and with "market" you mean "offshore tax havens" then you have a point.

    Brexit was pushed for by Atlas network members, notably against opposition from Atlas members from anywhere else in the world, right before the EU started tightening regulations on tax havens. Coincidence? You tell me. The rest of those neoliberal fucks rather pay taxes than burn the cake they're eating.

    We will see in 20 years if the EU can stay on top of its regulations.

    The EU commission, back then in the form of the ECSC High Authority, has been doing this stuff since 1952. All European post-war prosperity is based on this kind of approach. Details differ but by and large the European economical policy is ordoliberal.

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    • salvo@aussie.zoneS [email protected]

      The three biggest things that kill a tyre are;

      • shitty roads
      • aggressive driving
      • heavy vehicles (like EVs and oversized SUVs)

      That said, cheaper tyres are typically made of cheaper compounds that age poorly.

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      Never buy cheap tires - they are your only contact with the road. You can have the best car in the world, and shitty tires will make it worthless.

      There are videos on the subject, making the point of buying good tires, cause they will save your life.

      Engineering Explained video

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      • S [email protected]

        When buying future appliances, I have to be sure to get them from the EU. Standards in the US are going to be below the floor.

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        I'm liking the sound of "Made in EU = high quality"

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          I wonder how this translates to tires. Generally, softer rubber translates to more grip and faster wear, and other way around. Does this mean that the tires will be less grippy then?

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          Maybe. Tire rubber compounds continue to improve, along with construction and tread design. So newer tires might be just as grippy and more efficient. Or way less grippy and way more efficient. Or way grippier and just as efficient. It just depends on the tradeoffs the manufacturer decided to make.

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            Now, this is the trading standards that we all ask for; not "be more racist" or repeal the protection on lgbt. Christ, American fascism is the weirdest i have seen. Fascism in the past didn't even try to dictate the laws and regulations of other countries.

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            I don’t even understand what fascism means in each case on lemmy and whether it is a fixed term or some adaptive catch it all

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            • natakunox@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

              Well this mandate all but guarantees no trade deal will be made with the US. The things we do make don't last long.

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              The things we do make don’t last long.

              I assume you're from the states? I've had my small Made in USA Thermos for 10 years. It's indestructible.

              I could probably think of a few other good and durable things coming from the US - all sorts of guitars, banjos, ukuleles?

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              • someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.comS [email protected]

                This is a good first step. The next would be to lower the ridiculous amount of electronics in them and remove wifi and telemetry functionality. A dish washer should never have to connect to a server to do its job.

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                I would like it to come with an open source firmware that I could connect to my locally hosted servers.

                I would enjoy mapping out load weights, water and electricity consumption, and cross reference that with a lot of other stuff. Plus some remote controls, and a better interface to choosing washing programs and scheduling start/end...

                I just don't want any of that data to leave my house, ever.

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                  I think about the lightbulb cartel all the time. How has no one managed to recreate those super long lasting bulbs in all this time?

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                  They can and have been recreated. They just suck due to having very low light output.

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                  • a_norny_mousse@feddit.orgA [email protected]

                    The things we do make don’t last long.

                    I assume you're from the states? I've had my small Made in USA Thermos for 10 years. It's indestructible.

                    I could probably think of a few other good and durable things coming from the US - all sorts of guitars, banjos, ukuleles?

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                    I'm being hyperbolic. Ultimately is buying US worth your soul, values/morals, and pride? In the end it's not worth it.

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                    • bytejunk@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                      I would like it to come with an open source firmware that I could connect to my locally hosted servers.

                      I would enjoy mapping out load weights, water and electricity consumption, and cross reference that with a lot of other stuff. Plus some remote controls, and a better interface to choosing washing programs and scheduling start/end...

                      I just don't want any of that data to leave my house, ever.

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                      Exactly this. Wifi is awesome. Some opaque server on the internet is not. Let me home assistant the shit out that load of dishes.

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                        Prepare to pay out the ass for that though. Between tariffs and a weakening dollar.

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                        If you are in the EU yourself it's not that bad. All my appliances are actually made in Germany, and they were mid-price (BSH and Liebherr, a bit more expensive than chinese/korean but with better efficiency, warranties and reviews).

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                        • fenririii@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                          You can buy LED lightbulbs that all have their own apps. It's getting ridiculous

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                          Just use home assistant, you don't need their hubs/apps (assuming they use a standard like Zigbee or zwave). For wifi try tasmota.

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                          • S [email protected]

                            That's a good argument but doesn't fit the situation. The bad buying decisions can be corrected with market mechanisms. Allow people to finance the products over the entire expected lifetime. Then high quality goods are cheaper and people will choose them.

                            Some people speculated that Britain left the EU because they believe in markets whereas many EU countries don't. This could be one of many decisions that put the EU onto a different trajectory. We will see in 20 years if the EU can stay on top of its regulations.

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                            Britain (where I live) left the EU because lots of people where unhappy and Leave ran a much better campaign that Remain (and lied a couple of times). Racism probably also had something to do with it but that's hard to prove.

                            It wasn't really about markets because most voters don't know enough about them to decide based on them.

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                              I don’t even understand what fascism means in each case on lemmy and whether it is a fixed term or some adaptive catch it all

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                              I usually go by Umberto Eco's points but some scholars added their own. By and large, most agree that aspects such as militarism, demonization of out-groups, belief in a strongman authority figure, and lack recognition of civil rights and liberties are key characteristics of fascism. Trump 2.0 has most if not all the characteristics of fascism. Even now, Trump refuses to comply with court orders, has police harass and grab people without lawful warrant, demonizes out-groups and threatening military action.

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                                shitty roads

                                Cars (as you said, some more, some less) themselves destroy roads

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                                Not quite, something like 98% of road damage is caused by trucks. Damage increases exponentially with weight.

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                                  I usually go by Umberto Eco's points but some scholars added their own. By and large, most agree that aspects such as militarism, demonization of out-groups, belief in a strongman authority figure, and lack recognition of civil rights and liberties are key characteristics of fascism. Trump 2.0 has most if not all the characteristics of fascism. Even now, Trump refuses to comply with court orders, has police harass and grab people without lawful warrant, demonizes out-groups and threatening military action.

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                                  I think it is rather controversial to use it in this way

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                                    Exactly this. I recently had my clothes washer break. Spent days researching the problem, taking the thing apart, figuring out the cause was the spindle on the back of the drum having a crack and eventually breaking. I eventually found a replacement part which had a slightly different part number but research showed it should be compatible. $400 for the part. $130 shipping, plus tax came out to just shy of $600. 2 week lead time to get the part, and no certainty I’d be able to put it all back together. Professional appliance repair wouldn’t have made financial sense either, I called around.

                                    I ended up ordering a new one for $800 all in, saving many headaches. Had it two days later and was able to catch up on laundry.

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                                    Did you research spare part availability / reparability scores when buying the new one?

                                    I always start with that when buying major items. Some brands are more consumer friendly than others. I was still able to buy replacement parts for my 2005 fridge and dishwasher in 2019 and 2023 for 13 and 100 euros respectively (the 100 euro was a heat exchanger one of the biggest pieces of the machine). With 6 Euro shipping costs, 2 day delivery. And a bunch of YouTube videos to do the repair.

                                    In 2024 we equipped a whole new house with the same brand, voting with our wallets.

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                                      The three biggest things that kill a tyre are;

                                      • shitty roads
                                      • aggressive driving
                                      • heavy vehicles (like EVs and oversized SUVs)

                                      That said, cheaper tyres are typically made of cheaper compounds that age poorly.

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                                      EVs are getting their own lines of tyres (supposedly) designed to handle the weight, torque and address range concerns.

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                                      • emmie@lemm.eeE [email protected]

                                        I think it is rather controversial to use it in this way

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                                        There are scholarly consensus already. It is not controversial. Unless you are trying to muddy the water.

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                                          There are scholarly consensus already. It is not controversial. Unless you are trying to muddy the water.

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                                          Scholarly consensus that some president is fascist?

                                          Fascism is a precise term for a specific political movement

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