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  • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

    Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

    Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

    Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

    The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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    #54

    Why treat people with dignity when you can genocide them and grab all that real estate?

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      Oh boy you rustled some jimmies. Idk that I've seen a single comment where every response was down voted for being shitty takes.

      I'm sure all of those third party and non voters are jerking off all over themselves for saving Palestine and ending the genocide through Donald Trump.

      Hey, at least they've got their pedestals to look down on us from.

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      #55

      Oh boy you rustled some jimmies.

      That might be an understatement lol.
      I'm still getting comments, threats, and suggestions to commit suicide on this post, and other comments and posts I've made going back at least a year.

      They're so mad they're been browsing my comment history to find more things to get pissed off about lol.
      I love pissing off fascists and all the attention let's me know I'm on the right track.

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        Why treat people with dignity when you can genocide them and grab all that real estate?

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        I vote this as the default slogan for all Western Civ history classes

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          You got worse than what you were protesting. Good job. Huge success!

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          All this time Kang was the right choice! Down with Kronos!!!

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            Oh boy you rustled some jimmies. Idk that I've seen a single comment where every response was down voted for being shitty takes.

            I'm sure all of those third party and non voters are jerking off all over themselves for saving Palestine and ending the genocide through Donald Trump.

            Hey, at least they've got their pedestals to look down on us from.

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            #58

            I doubt that anyone ever claimed Trump would end the genocide on Palestinians from outside a troll farm in St. Petersburg.

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              Ok, so assume all things equal, everything happens the same in Gaza... Trump is still significantly worse in every other facet. So yea, all third party voters and non voters are fucking moronic Trump supporters. A bunch of ignorant fuckwits that think that they made a difference by standing up against the establishment. Congrats, we got Trump.

              There's only so many ways to say that there were two outcomes last November, and everyone knew that. If y'all can't wrap your head around that reality 6 months later, then that says everything about your ability to reason.

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              #59

              The main argument was never "Trump is no worse than Harris". To argue against this is fighting windmills.

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                Oh boy you rustled some jimmies.

                That might be an understatement lol.
                I'm still getting comments, threats, and suggestions to commit suicide on this post, and other comments and posts I've made going back at least a year.

                They're so mad they're been browsing my comment history to find more things to get pissed off about lol.
                I love pissing off fascists and all the attention let's me know I'm on the right track.

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                Same. I've had cancer wished on me, suicide, and a few other things. Like you said, it's solidly let me know the kind of people that I'm criticizing.

                Someone lost a friend in Lebanon, and that's sad. I'm sure if they were still here, they'd be stoked that their friend effectively supported Donald Trump to help out though.

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                  I doubt that anyone ever claimed Trump would end the genocide on Palestinians from outside a troll farm in St. Petersburg.

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                  Some of them I'm sure thought it, but definitely a minority. It's the fact that Gaza was used as a means to target Harris, and against all evidence suggesting it would be the same or worse, didn't do the same to condemn Trump.

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                    The main argument was never "Trump is no worse than Harris". To argue against this is fighting windmills.

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                    The argument has always been, of the two candidates, one of which will win, which is less bad? People that voted third party or didn't vote decided that Trump is less bad.

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                      I doubt that anyone ever claimed Trump would end the genocide on Palestinians from outside a troll farm in St. Petersburg.

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                      Plenty of people in Michigan did.

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                        Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
                        Right?

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                        The majority of white women voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

                        "White women are still voting for the Republican candidate

                        Although women as a whole have historically voted for Democrats, white women have not. Instead, over the last 72 years, a plurality of white women have voted for the Democratic candidate only twice, in 1964 and 1996."

                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/06/election-trump-harris-women-voters

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                        • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                          Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

                          Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

                          Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

                          The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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                          So much to unpack here.

                          First of all, when asked, he said "I don't think so." He should have a definitive answer to that question, not some weasely equivocation.

                          The fact that we aren't supporting a PLACE for them to live as an independent nation, signals that America has embraced the genocide option.

                          This is entirely about developing a Jewish Dubai, so they don't have to spend their money with Muslims. HitlerPig's Spiritual Advisor has already come out to say that Christians won't be able to enter heaven unless they make a pilgrimage to Israel, the way Muslims make their pilgrimage to Mecca. Of course, for the MAGA Nazis, it's not about spiritual fulfillment, it's about making Christians spend their money in their hotels and restaurants.

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                            Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
                            Right?

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                            #66

                            Look, I was the first person in threads to call these people out back in February. And March... But it's June. This shit accomplishes nothing now beyond creating more unnecessary division.

                            I don't even disagree, it's just not productive to constantly harp on this when we've all heard it a million times

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                              I doubt that anyone ever claimed Trump would end the genocide on Palestinians from outside a troll farm in St. Petersburg.

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                              People on this very site did, absolutely, and some of them were definitely Americans

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                                As a lib I am deeply ashamed that we have missed a historic opportunity of electing a black woman to unquestioningly, unequivocally and fully support the destruction of Palestine all the while lying about "working round the clock to stop the Israel-Hamas war".

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                                Well, you got a orange man who wants to accelerate the destruction, ethnically cleanse the population and build a hotel on the ashes. At least he's too dumb to lie about it. Yay?

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                                  I vote this as the default slogan for all Western Civ history classes

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                                  Yes and Eastern civilizations would do it too if they had the power. This is a human problem, not just a western problem.

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                                  • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                    Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

                                    Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

                                    Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

                                    The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

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                                    Decades of broken promises and bad-faith negotiations prove that the U.S. has never had a "peace process" for the Mideast. Our process has always been, "Israel always gets whatever it wants and fark everything else. "

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                                      So much to unpack here.

                                      First of all, when asked, he said "I don't think so." He should have a definitive answer to that question, not some weasely equivocation.

                                      The fact that we aren't supporting a PLACE for them to live as an independent nation, signals that America has embraced the genocide option.

                                      This is entirely about developing a Jewish Dubai, so they don't have to spend their money with Muslims. HitlerPig's Spiritual Advisor has already come out to say that Christians won't be able to enter heaven unless they make a pilgrimage to Israel, the way Muslims make their pilgrimage to Mecca. Of course, for the MAGA Nazis, it's not about spiritual fulfillment, it's about making Christians spend their money in their hotels and restaurants.

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                                      Israel has a very successful gamble in showing they are the white man's key to the Middle East. For as long as no one wills to find another ally in the region, Israel oversells itself as a one. And as any other bad example of putting all eggs in one basket, Israel felt the dependency other states have in it, and now tests it, tests it, tests it with no negative response.

                                      Palestine and Gaza are just them dipping their toes to know, if they can get scots-free from shooting weak HAMAS and civs and get into a real war Netanyahu's cabinet already planning. It's 2025 and in the coming years we'd see even more violence from that beloved partner if no one pulls the stop lever.

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                                        You got worse than what you were protesting. Good job. Huge success!

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                                        Congrats to the democrats for prioritizing genocide over beating trump, I guess.

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                                          She would have been better for the world as a whole than Trump. If you truely think that things would have played out exactly the same in Gaza with Harris as POTUS, then it still comes down to two candidates last November, and every person knew that one of them would win. So a vote for Trump, a non vote, or a third party vote directly benefited Trump.

                                          "Oh but I voted against genocide", fuck no you didn't. You voted in a manner that directly put Trump in charge, which was the worst possible outcome.

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                                          It could be argued that trump is actually better for the world (but not for the US) since he's ruining the US's soft power by tearing up alliances and expressing blatant corruption, making the US look incompetent and completely untrustworthy. Now other countries are finding alternatives, making the US not as central as it used to be. He is perhaps the most effective tool in helping the US empire fall.

                                          You could also argue that this is accelerationism, but to be fair, democrats take advantage of accelerationism all the time (e.g. "republicans have repealed reproductive rights, donate even more money to us so we can fight it" while letting things get worse and worse, barely putting up a fight to make long-lasting changes and indeed letting things get this bad so they can position themselves as the only "solution").

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