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    I don’t get what toy lang means?

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    The opposite of system language, especially as many scripting languages have "beginner" features, like a single number type instead of integers and floats, dynamic types.

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      The opposite of system language, especially as many scripting languages have "beginner" features, like a single number type instead of integers and floats, dynamic types.

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      I would call that a high level language. Like, the further you abstract from the hardware, the higher level the language.

      Calling it a “toy” language implies that it isn’t useful. You have languages in there that are incredibly useful, like SQL, that basically run the entire internet.

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      • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

        Compilers are pretty damn good at doing that by now.

        I can believe there's some direct assembly usage down in the depths of Unity and Unreal engines, but the average game dev is probably not going to touch it.

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        I’d agree that the average game dev is on Unity or unreal and won’t be hand optimizing any inner loops.

        But there are a surprising amount of studios still on their own tech and there the low-level engineers definitely do (I’ve worked in the industry and have seen it first hand - and done it myself).

        It also tends to be at the start of a console’s life span before the compiler and linker is mature up against the hardware.

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        • nostradavid@programming.devN [email protected]

          No colours? But how am I going to look down on the other three quadrants?

          But for real, how did you make it? Hold up, did you screenshot draw.io? You absolute madlad!

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          You can export from draw.io with dark mode and grid enabled as well. Seeing as the space even on all sides...

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            What is Fortran's actual address on this visualization?

            Asking for a friend.

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              This is a very bad chart:

              • I don't understand what Toy Lang, Nu Lang or even System Lang mean
              • How are C and Assembly obsolete?
              • How is C++ more obsolete than D or Go?
              • PHP still powers a large portion of the internet, certainly not a "Toy Lang"
              • Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?

              Downvoting.

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                Yes, SQL is but a toy language. It probably will never make it into production.

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                  how is python to the right and mojo at the bottom.

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                  • Z [email protected]

                    I roughly based the nu-obsolete scale on language features not age (or use), TypeScript is just ECMAScript with an optional type safety feature.

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                    That's... not the whole story. TypeScript is very powerful without users noticing. The most widely used feature is probably implicit this binding in fat arrow functions, but also targeted compilation to lower ES standards. It's not just type annotations à la Python.

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                    • H [email protected]

                      I don’t get what toy lang means?

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                      For playing with, rather than 'serious' projects

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                        SQL? Toy?

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                          C is more obsolete than Rust. Coding directly in assembly is rare. Beyond that it's more subjective.

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                          Coding directly in assembly is rare.

                          I used to think that, but when you're dealing with a lot of low-level stuff you'll eventually realize that Compilers are pretty bad at generating fast and reliable Assembly where it's needed. Also, some Architectures have specific machine instructions that Compilers just don't take advantage of, no matter what flags you enable.

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                            Coding directly in assembly is rare.

                            I used to think that, but when you're dealing with a lot of low-level stuff you'll eventually realize that Compilers are pretty bad at generating fast and reliable Assembly where it's needed. Also, some Architectures have specific machine instructions that Compilers just don't take advantage of, no matter what flags you enable.

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                            Also, some Architectures have specific machine instructions that Compilers just don’t take advantage of, no matter what flags you enable.

                            Interesting. Do you have some examples?

                            Writing those frequently-called leaf functions in assembly has certainly far outlived it's use in other places. But, the word on the street, or I guess the conventional wisdom, is that compilers have gradually caught up even there.

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                            • vitabytesdev@feddit.nlV [email protected]

                              This is a very bad chart:

                              • I don't understand what Toy Lang, Nu Lang or even System Lang mean
                              • How are C and Assembly obsolete?
                              • How is C++ more obsolete than D or Go?
                              • PHP still powers a large portion of the internet, certainly not a "Toy Lang"
                              • Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?

                              Downvoting.

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                              This chart is easier to understand if you make the following substitutions:

                              • Toy Lang --> high level language (except brainfuck really is a low level toy language)
                              • System Lang --> low level language
                              • Obsolete Lang --> old programming language, regardless of obsolescence status
                              • Nu Lang --> newer programming language

                              After understanding this construction, I fail to find any humor in this.

                              Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?

                              Among other things, "JavaScript" is a trademark of Oracle.

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                                The hardest hitting rage bait I've seen all year

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                                • M [email protected]

                                  This chart is easier to understand if you make the following substitutions:

                                  • Toy Lang --> high level language (except brainfuck really is a low level toy language)
                                  • System Lang --> low level language
                                  • Obsolete Lang --> old programming language, regardless of obsolescence status
                                  • Nu Lang --> newer programming language

                                  After understanding this construction, I fail to find any humor in this.

                                  Why is ECMAScript here and not JavaScript?

                                  Among other things, "JavaScript" is a trademark of Oracle.

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                                  I fail to find any humour in this.
                                  I think the humour are the labels (Toy, System, Nu, Obsolete), which are however incorrect and misleading.

                                  Among other things, "JavaScript" is a trademark of Oracle.

                                  Does this prevent it from being used in memes?

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                                    Sadly, as always, Lisp is put in parenthesis and doesn't show here

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                                      Fortran is obsolete? I just constrained myself about to write something about your mum

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