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  • danhab99@programming.devD This user is from outside of this forum
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    I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

    C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

    That's why I love C++

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    • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

      I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

      C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

      That's why I love C++

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      C++: all the footguns you need plus a lot more that you never imagined in a single language

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      • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

        I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

        C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

        That's why I love C++

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        C++ is kinky that way. You can consent to all manner of depraved programming patterns. Great for use in personal life, but maybe not appropriate for the office.

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        • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

          I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

          C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

          That's why I love C++

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          C lets you shoot yourself in the foot.

          C++ lets you reuse the bullet.

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          • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

            I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

            C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

            That's why I love C++

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            Don't be average

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            • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

              I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

              C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

              That's why I love C++

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              I actually do like that C/C++ let you do this stuff.

              Sometimes it's nice to acknowledge that I'm writing software for a computer and it's all just bytes. Sometimes I don't really want to wrestle with the ivory tower of abstract type theory mixed with vague compiler errors, I just want to allocate a block of memory and apply a minimal set rules on top.

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                C++ is kinky that way. You can consent to all manner of depraved programming patterns. Great for use in personal life, but maybe not appropriate for the office.

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                But does it have cargo-mommy 😛

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                • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

                  I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

                  C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

                  That's why I love C++

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                  What do you mean I'm not supposed to add 0x5f3759df to a float casted as a long, bitshifted right by 1?

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                  • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

                    I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

                    C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

                    That's why I love C++

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                    My issue is C++ will "let me do it", and by that I mean "you didn't cast here (which is UB), so I will optimize out a null check later, and then segfault in a random location"

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                    • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

                      I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

                      C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

                      That's why I love C++

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                      Thank you for including the text as text.

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                        What do you mean I'm not supposed to add 0x5f3759df to a float casted as a long, bitshifted right by 1?

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                          What do you mean I'm not supposed to add 0x5f3759df to a float casted as a long, bitshifted right by 1?

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                          //what the fuck?

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                            I actually do like that C/C++ let you do this stuff.

                            Sometimes it's nice to acknowledge that I'm writing software for a computer and it's all just bytes. Sometimes I don't really want to wrestle with the ivory tower of abstract type theory mixed with vague compiler errors, I just want to allocate a block of memory and apply a minimal set rules on top.

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                            People just think that applying arbitrary rules somehow makes software magically more secure, like with rust, as if the compiler won't just "let you" do the exact same fucking thing if you type the unsafe keyword

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                              People just think that applying arbitrary rules somehow makes software magically more secure, like with rust, as if the compiler won't just "let you" do the exact same fucking thing if you type the unsafe keyword

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                              I don't know rust, but for example in Swift the type system can make things way more difficult.

                              Before they added macros if you wanted to write ORM code on a SQL database it was brutal, and if you need to go into raw buffers it's generally easier to just write C/objc code and a bridging header. The type system can make it harder to reason about performance too because you lose some visibility in what actually gets compiled.

                              The Swift type system has improved, but I've spent a lot of time fighting with it. I just try to avoid generics and type erasure now.

                              I've had similar experiences with Java and Scala.

                              That's what I mean about it being nice to drop out of setting up some type hierarchy and interfaces and just working with a raw buffers or function pointers.

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                                People just think that applying arbitrary rules somehow makes software magically more secure, like with rust, as if the compiler won't just "let you" do the exact same fucking thing if you type the unsafe keyword

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                                You don't even need unsafe, you can just take user input and execute it in a shell and rust will let you do it. Totally insecure!

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                                • deegeese@sopuli.xyzD [email protected]

                                  C lets you shoot yourself in the foot.

                                  C++ lets you reuse the bullet.

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                                  C is dangerous like your uncle who drinks and smokes. Y’wanna make a weedwhacker-powered skateboard? Bitchin’! Nail that fucker on there good, she’ll be right. Get a bunch of C folks together and they’ll avoid all the stupid easy ways to kill somebody, in service to building something properly dangerous. They’ll raise the stakes from “accident” to “disaster.” Whether or not it works, it’s gonna blow people away.

                                  C++ is dangerous like a quiet librarian who knows exactly which forbidden tomes you’re looking for. He and his… associates… will gladly share all the dark magic you know how to ask about. They’ll assure you that the power cosmic would never, without sufficient warning, pull someone inside-out. They don’t question why a loving god would allow the powers you crave. They will show you which runes to carve, and then, they will hand you the knife.

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                                  • L [email protected]

                                    People just think that applying arbitrary rules somehow makes software magically more secure, like with rust, as if the compiler won't just "let you" do the exact same fucking thing if you type the unsafe keyword

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                                    It's neither arbitrary nor magic; it's math. And unsafe doesn't disable the type system, it just lets you dereference raw pointers.

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                                      //what the fuck?

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                                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root

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                                      • danhab99@programming.devD [email protected]

                                        I don't think that casting a range of bits as some other arbitrary type "is a bug nobody sees coming".

                                        C++ compilers also warn you that this is likely an issue and will fail to compile if configured to do so. But it will let you do it if you really want to.

                                        That's why I love C++

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                                        There are no medals waiting for you by writing overly clever code. Trust me, I’ve tried. There’s no pride. Only pain.

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                                          You don't even need unsafe, you can just take user input and execute it in a shell and rust will let you do it. Totally insecure!

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                                          Rust isn't memory safe because you can invoke another program that isn't memory safe?

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