Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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I wouldn't say he was murdered. He considered himself to be a culture warrior and when a warrior falls in battle, even if it's a most pointless battle standing on the wrong side of history, it's generally not considered murder.
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Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.
Yes, words matter.
But the ends don't justify the means. Morality isn't outcome-oriented. It's wrong to kill someone just for their words and ideas.
If the assassin had targeted the people enacting those ideas, that might be different. But assassinations tend to be a net negative. I can't think of an exception.
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And what do you think celebrating his death is doing?
I know you keyboard warriors are dumb as fuck, so Ill just tell you. Youre ramping up the other side of your dumb culture war. Youre spreading hate, and celebrating murder. You are the very thing you hate. You just dont have as many followers. But theres enough of you doing it, that right now there will be a number of unhinged right wingers looking for "payback". And thats on you, and every single other mouth breather out there cheers for murder.
Wow, so wise. I always wanted to be slowly, yet methodically killed by right wingers without any fight-back.
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To be fair, using his talking points that made him one of the biggest cunts on the planet as justification to be just like him, its pretty wild. He was cunt, there no doubt about that. But his death brings that question back onto you. Are you going to celebrate the death of a 31 year old man just because you didnt like the dumb shit he said? If the answer is yes, you might not be the good guy you think you are.
I hold people like him personally responsible for the violence against POC's and trans people. So yeah, I am going to PARTYYYYYYY
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So let me get this straight...
People in here are justifying his murder by saying he advocated for it?
So because he said he thinks empathy is bollocks and that some people should have to die so we can keep guns that makes it ok?
How can you be against everything he stands for, but then use his standards to justify his death?
That is wrong. And it just shows how full of crap you are. If you disagree with him then now is the time to prove it.
He might have essentially "been asking for it" but thats not the ways i want the world to be.
And i found out today that there are lots of people on lemmy who will advocate for murder as long as it suits them.
Cool....
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No, its because they see asshole like you cheering for the murder of people who say dumb shit. How the fuck can you not see your own extremism when its so fucking blatant???? "People who dont agree with me deserve to die!". That you lot, thats you lot right fucking now.
Jesus christ.
Nah, it's the same playbook every time. You have dangerous right wing rhetoric justifying violence (as seen in this thread, even by Kirk himself) that leads to political violence and the right is just "this is deserved" (see J6 or the attack on democratic lawmakers), but when it hits themselves, suddenly political violence is the worst and collective pearl-clutching starts. These people have created a dangerous atmosphere that they can't control and it's backfiring, there was never an attempt from them to defuse it.
People like Kevin Roberts who threaten revolutions with thinly veiled violence etc… btw my personal theory is that Kirk was shot by a right wing lunatic who was disappointed in Kirk's 180 on the Epstein files which went from something like "this is the biggest conspiracy in history, never trust the government" to "I trust my friends in the government" over a weekend. They have created an atmosphere of "you need to fight those in power by any means necessary" and now they find themselves in an awkward spot.
Anyhow, everybody in the thread you replied to just did what Kirk ask them to. Not show empathy, not let the victims emotionally hijack the narrative. He made the world a worse place, I don't know if it's gonna be better without him but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
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It was more anti-trans hate mongering. 2 or 3 trans shooters out of 5700 is nothing. If you can whittle down the number of "mass shootings" to just a handful of incidents, can make it seem like trans people are vastly over-represented among school shooters.
The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can't do the math, though, I'm no numbersmith.
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When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel. Does Nazi just mean conservative fascist now? And if so is B. Netanyahu a Nazi? That seems weird.
When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel.
Well, Israel didn't exist when the NSDAP did, so if you apply the literal meaning of each, a Nazi couldn't support Israel. But fascism was also something that only applied to the party in power in Italy from 1922 to 1945. The terms have somewhat evolved since then; fascism generally meaning authoritarian, ultranationalistic and antiliberal. The same applies to nazism, but usually with some racist ideology with hatred for other religions.
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That's what they definitely want, but keep in mind, there's two outcomes for them: one, you try to hold moral superiority and succumb once again to justifying their victim narratives and allowing them to change the discourse, or two, which they will still claim regardless, that you fight back and they have an additional excuse they would have manufactured regardless.
Anywhere in the world and even in the US' own history, when things get bad enough, you have to recognize you will never get through the mental gymnastics and that you are under a regime that's only going to get worse. And yes, that certain people are going to try to benefit from that instability and perhaps are even forcing it, but also that sometimes the only answer is to get ahead of the road they've paved so you can change the course faster and sooner than they would have expected. Not doing so or even fighting against the people actually resisting against the regime due to your own superiority complex is what has ended up cementing dictatorships instead of powering successful revolutions back into democracies.
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A sniper with an innate sense of comedic timing?
I'm guessing shooting at any other point would produce similar results.
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He is right, empathy is a dangerous feeling.
Sometimes, it is better to feel it, and still toss it aside when it apply to assholes -
Yeah, thats whats going to happen. Not that the unhinged right wing fuckwits use him as martyr, and saddle up for some weird fucking payback.
The way to defeat Kirk was with words and facts. A bullet does nothing but make his voice louder. If it was some left wing culture war weirdo, all they did was make him immortal. Yay...
"The way to defeat Kirk was with words and facts."
And you scoff like my statement was outlandish.
My gut feeling is this isn't going to be as impactful as people are saying. I remember the media buzz after Trump was almost waxed and we didn't see any (noteworthy) reprisals.
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No, its because they see asshole like you cheering for the murder of people who say dumb shit. How the fuck can you not see your own extremism when its so fucking blatant???? "People who dont agree with me deserve to die!". That you lot, thats you lot right fucking now.
Jesus christ.
Well, that was just a necessary cost of preserving the second amendment
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I wonder if we will get a new wave of users as reddit has another ban wave for people laughing at this cunts neck exploding.
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And what do you think celebrating his death is doing?
I know you keyboard warriors are dumb as fuck, so Ill just tell you. Youre ramping up the other side of your dumb culture war. Youre spreading hate, and celebrating murder. You are the very thing you hate. You just dont have as many followers. But theres enough of you doing it, that right now there will be a number of unhinged right wingers looking for "payback". And thats on you, and every single other mouth breather out there cheers for murder.
OK white knight, leave the party if you don't like it or call the cops whatever.
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I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.
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I hate how some are trying to spin this as "he was killed just for having different opinions" like no, he didn't just have "different opinions" that's grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is "worth it" because "god given rights" (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn't allow her to have an abortion
All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don't know
Advocating for genocide in Gaza isn't even a different opinion. It's the same opinion as democratic party leadership.
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I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.
The problem with this is that it will be used to increase violence against non-white cis males.
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You're arguing for parochial empathy over real empathy.
He was a force for evil in this world.
Have empathy instead for the victims of the policies he advocated.
