Cloudflare announces AI Labyrinth, which uses AI-generated content to confuse and waste the resources of AI Crawlers and bots that ignore “no crawl” directives.
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I.. Don't think I've heard anyone claim authority shouldn't exist.
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Not who you responded to but yeah I want to hear a drug fuelled rant I don't even care what topic
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and try to slam your site with like 200+ requests per second
Your solution would do nothing to stop the crawlers that are operating 10ish rps. There's ones out there operating at a mere 2rps but when multiple companies are doing it at the same time 24x7x365 it adds up.
Some incredibly talented people have been battling this since last year and your solution has been tried multiple times. It's not effective in all instances and can require a LOT of manual intervention and SysAdmin time.
https://thelibre.news/foss-infrastructure-is-under-attack-by-ai-companies/
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the used market
so you're saying it's a niche toy you can get if you really want one, but nobody's pushing that shit on you, and if you never want to talk about one again in your life, you can probably do that?
I would like if large language models were in this position. I don't think you understand the degree to which our productive capacity and infrastructure are committed to this technology. it's a lot. basically all the cutting edge computer chips being made are specialist chips for processing large (whatever) models, including the engineering to back it. that means everything else is bumped down a generation or five.
then there's the amount of electricity being put towards these things-we are in a climate disaster, we do not have green energy, and these things are drawing in the high GW/low TW of energy.
water is also a lot more precarious than a lot of people want to think about. these things are using lots and lots of good drinkable water to cool those specialist chips, then just being throws out, because I assume it's cheaper than cooling the hot water back down.
if these things didn't ruin the internet, and were just something you ran on the beefy desktop you otherwise use for games, I wouldn't mind, but that's not where we are.
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My dude, they'll literally sell services to both sides of the market.
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The article says it's not poisoning the AI data, only providing valid facts. The scraper still gets content, just not the content it was aiming for.
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On on hand, yes. On the other...imagine frustration of management of companies making and selling AI services. This is such a sweet thing to imagine.
I just want to keep using uncensored AI that answers my questions. Why is this a good thing?
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Burning 29 acres of rainforest a day to do nothing
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You can still buy new ones. Take a nap.
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Considering how many false positives Cloudflare serves i see nothing but misery coming from this.
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Why do I have the feeling that I will end up in that nightmare with my privacy focused and ad-free Browser setup. I already end up in captcha hell too often because of it.
Of course it will. Cloudflare has already ruined the web and it's just another step further.
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this is some fucking stupid situation, we somewhat got a faster internet and these bots messing each other are hugging the bandwidth.
Lol website traffic accounts for like 1% of bandwidth budget. 1 netflix movie is like 20k web pages.
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Cloudflare kind of real for this. I love it.
It makes perfect sense for them as a business, infinite automated traffic equals infinite costs and lower server stability, but at the same time how often do giant tech companies do things that make sense these days?
I'm sorry how does it make sense?
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Considering how many false positives Cloudflare serves i see nothing but misery coming from this.
In terms of Lemmy instances, if your instance is behind cloudflare and you turn on AI protection, federation breaks. So their tools are not very helpful for fighting the AI scraping.
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You can still buy new ones. Take a nap.
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I just want to keep using uncensored AI that answers my questions. Why is this a good thing?
Because it's not AI, it's LLMs, and all LLMs do is guess what word most likely comes next in a sentence. That's why they are terrible at answering questions and do things like suggest adding glue to the cheese on your pizza because somewhere in the training data some idiot said that.
The training data for LLMs come from the internet, and the internet is full of idiots.
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I just want to keep using uncensored AI that answers my questions. Why is this a good thing?
Because it only harms bots that ignore the "no crawl" directive, so your AI remains uncensored.
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Thanks, I don't really care for generalizing instances and didn't really have a choice when I made my account.
But also your definition is impossibly broad as you well and I'm pretty sure not the general consensus. The video doesn't define it as such either.
For one thing, by your definition we can have absolutely no meaningful human relationships. I can explain this more later when I have time if you don't see what I mean
My explanation of authority wasn't meant as a definition but rather a brief summarisation of a complex concept, Andrew does a better job actually explaining it. Like pointing out that Authority is confused with a lot of different concepts like respect or influence. Which I'm starting to suspect is happening here. meaningful human relationships are based on mutual respect. This is not authority as it is voluntary, reciprocated and revoked as soon as the other party steps over the line. This is what I believe is the basis of society and what we need to return to in order to live a truly free life. In modern society in most interactions respect has been replaced with authority. People in positions of power even use them synonymously.
