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    Plenty of hentai out there covering questionable subjects to train AI on as well.

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      It's pronounced "doo mah."

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      Shawshank reference?

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        Generated AI CP should be illegalized even if its creation did not technically harm anyone. The reason is, presumably it looks too close to real CP, so close that it: 1) normalizes consumption of CP, 2) grows a market for CP, and 3) Real CP could get off the hook by claiming it is AI.

        While there are similar reasons to be against clearly not real CP (e.g. hentai), this type at least does not have problem #3. For example, there doesnt need to be an investigation into whether a picture is real or not.

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          Generated AI CP should be illegalized even if its creation did not technically harm anyone. The reason is, presumably it looks too close to real CP, so close that it: 1) normalizes consumption of CP, 2) grows a market for CP, and 3) Real CP could get off the hook by claiming it is AI.

          While there are similar reasons to be against clearly not real CP (e.g. hentai), this type at least does not have problem #3. For example, there doesnt need to be an investigation into whether a picture is real or not.

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          It is here at least.

          If it wasn't you could just flood everything with it and it would be impossible to go after actual cp

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            Shawshank reference?

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            A&W root beer

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              Prove it. Please, show me the full training data to guarantee you're right.

              But also, all the kids used for "kids face data" didn't sign up to be porn

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              I don't need to. It's is just the way gen AI works. It takes images of things it knows and then generates NEW content based on what it think you want with your prompts.

              If I'm looking for a infant flying an airplane, gen AI knows what a pilot looks like and what a child looks like and it creates something new.

              Also kids face data doesn't mean they take the actual face of the actual child and paste it on a body. It might take an eyebrow and a freckle from one kidand use a hair style from another and eyes from someone else.

              Lastly, the kids parents consented when they upload images of their kids on social media.

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                Im not advocating for cp. I'm advocating for freedom.

                A crime is only a crime if someone is negative effected. Gen AI is just a more accessible Photoshop.

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                  Generated AI CP should be illegalized even if its creation did not technically harm anyone. The reason is, presumably it looks too close to real CP, so close that it: 1) normalizes consumption of CP, 2) grows a market for CP, and 3) Real CP could get off the hook by claiming it is AI.

                  While there are similar reasons to be against clearly not real CP (e.g. hentai), this type at least does not have problem #3. For example, there doesnt need to be an investigation into whether a picture is real or not.

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                  The biggest issue with this line of thinking is, how do you prove it's CP without a victim. I suppose at a certain threshold it becomes obvious, but that can be a very blurry line (there was a famous case where a porn star had to be flown to a court case to prove the video wasn't CP, but can't find the link right now).

                  So your left with a crime that was committed with no victim and no proof, which can be really easy to abuse.

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                    Who actually gets hurt in AI generated cp? The servers?

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                    Making a photo of a child based off of real photos in a sexual manner is essentially using said child in the training data as the one in the act..

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                      Generated AI CP should be illegalized even if its creation did not technically harm anyone. The reason is, presumably it looks too close to real CP, so close that it: 1) normalizes consumption of CP, 2) grows a market for CP, and 3) Real CP could get off the hook by claiming it is AI.

                      While there are similar reasons to be against clearly not real CP (e.g. hentai), this type at least does not have problem #3. For example, there doesnt need to be an investigation into whether a picture is real or not.

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                      AI CP seems like a promising way to destroy demand for the real thing. How many people would risk a prison sentence making or viewing the real thing when they could push a button and have a convincing likeness for free with no children harmed? Flood the market with cheap fakes and makers of the real thing may not find it profitable enough to take the risk.

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                        Probably got all the data to train for it from the pentagon. They're known for having tons of it and a lot of their staff (more than 25%) are used to seeing it frequently.

                        Easily searchable, though I don't like to search for that shit, but here's 1 post if you literally add pentagon to c____ p___ in a search a million articles on DIFFERENT subjects (than this house bill) come up https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/451383-house-bill-aims-to-stop-use-of-pentagon-networks-for-sharing-child/

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                        When my dad worked for the DoD, he was assigned a laptop for work that had explicit photos of children on it.

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                          Making a photo of a child based off of real photos in a sexual manner is essentially using said child in the training data as the one in the act..

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                          But who is actually getting hurt? No kid has gotten hurt using Gen AI.

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                            A&W root beer

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                            The commercial in question.

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                              Generated AI CP should be illegalized even if its creation did not technically harm anyone. The reason is, presumably it looks too close to real CP, so close that it: 1) normalizes consumption of CP, 2) grows a market for CP, and 3) Real CP could get off the hook by claiming it is AI.

                              While there are similar reasons to be against clearly not real CP (e.g. hentai), this type at least does not have problem #3. For example, there doesnt need to be an investigation into whether a picture is real or not.

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                              What the fuck is AI being trained on to produce the stuff?

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                                Even when consent is informed it can still be fucky. Do you think I want to consent to an arbitration agreement with my employer or a social media platform? Fuck no, but I want a job and interaction so I go where the money/people are. I can't hunt around for a place that will hire me and also doesn't have arbitration.

                                Consent at the barrel of a gun, No matter how well informed, is no consent at all.

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                                This is a great point. Manufactured consent and all.

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                                  What the fuck is AI being trained on to produce the stuff?

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                                  Pictures of clothed children and naked adults.

                                  Nobody trained them on what things made out of spaghetti look like, but they can generate them because smushing multiple things together is precisely what they do.

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                                    No cp should be acceptable. But I argue AI generated isn't cp.

                                    This is no different than someone cutting out a child's head from a Target catalog and sticking it to a body on a playboy magazine and masturbating to it.

                                    Or someone using Photoshoping a kids head to a pornographic photo.

                                    It's just a more accessible version of those examples.

                                    At the end of the day, what you do in your own home is your thing. t's not my business what you do. As long as it doesn't hurt/affect anyone, go ahead.

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                                    I almost respect you for taking a stance so blatantly against what most people believe.

                                    Almost.

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                                      Pictures of clothed children and naked adults.

                                      Nobody trained them on what things made out of spaghetti look like, but they can generate them because smushing multiple things together is precisely what they do.

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                                      Well, that's somewhat reassuring.

                                      Still reprehensible that it's being used that way, of course.

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                                        I don't need to. It's is just the way gen AI works. It takes images of things it knows and then generates NEW content based on what it think you want with your prompts.

                                        If I'm looking for a infant flying an airplane, gen AI knows what a pilot looks like and what a child looks like and it creates something new.

                                        Also kids face data doesn't mean they take the actual face of the actual child and paste it on a body. It might take an eyebrow and a freckle from one kidand use a hair style from another and eyes from someone else.

                                        Lastly, the kids parents consented when they upload images of their kids on social media.

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                                        If you think that AI is only trained on legal images, I can't convince you otherwise.

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                                          When my dad worked for the DoD, he was assigned a laptop for work that had explicit photos of children on it.

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                                          just sad..

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