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  • e8d79@discuss.tchncs.deE [email protected]

    I do, use Signal if you care about privacy. They are the only game in town when it comes to reasonably secure chat software. Sure, I would prefer a federated alternative but I haven't found one yet that is always end-to-end encrypted, open source, implements forward secrecy, and is user friendly enough to be used by my grandmother.

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    SimpleX is better, you don't even need a phone number.

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    • wheelcharartist@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

      why signal?

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      Because atm is the most adopted alternative but isn't any better then SimpleX.

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        Or just go to rednote instead

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        “I’m sick of apps owned by American oligarchs who want to steal my data! This app owned by Chinese oligarchs will surely be a better experience”

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          instead of switching ive mostly just been ditching entirely. I need less time interacting with internet people.

          literally the only thing on this list im still using is facebook messenger, for my work colleagues. and youtube. everything else ive migrated (reddit-lemmy), or abandoned and torched

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          • P [email protected]

            Sms is bad if you care about privacy, but great for voyeurs.

            I frequently send dick pics between two of my phone numbers with fake messages about selling drugs and blowing things up attached, triggering them for a manual review in the government/carrier’s office.

            Signal is very useful for minorities and anyone who’s actually planning a terrorist attack.

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            Briar is better for particular dangerous situations, SimpleX is a 'more confy' great alternative.

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              An change your email to protonmail or tutamail. Starve those gmails, outlooks, iCloud’s and etc

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              Email is a shitty protocol we should abandon

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              • elrecoal19_0@lemmy.worldE [email protected]

                Wouldn't Matrix be a better alternative to Signal, since it doesn't need a number and the main/default instance (matrix.org) is based on the EU? Maybe it has a too difficult learning curve to the average user, though

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                The best number-free protocol is SimpleX atm

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                  Friendica seems like a new thing? No apps for that yet either

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                    Friendica seems like a new thing? No apps for that yet either

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                    It's been here the a long time actually

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                    • breadcat@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

                      I keep seeing this type stuff but neither peertube or friendica are genuine replacements at this point, mastodon is weaksauce compared to akkoma or a misskey fork, and loops is alpha software. also yes signal is centralized but it just works and has contact discovery so it owns matrix and xmpp when compared to whatsapp. basically none of this stuff is truly ready

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                      matrix too has contact discovery, if you add your phone number (or email). most users don't, and that tells me something

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                        FB Marketplace --> Flohmarkt is missing!

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                        I haven't heard of it yet but it's very interesting! link for those who struggle to find it among german search results

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                          That really is not a satisfying answer. It is incredibly nebulous and even if it did have a nice definition I guarantee most software developers will tell you a lot of software rarely reaches that state.

                          I can see why they might want to avoid 1000 GitHub issues bike shedding things but they could open source the code and just not have open contribution

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                          or they can also disable submitting issues for now

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                            Loops is anti-libre software confirmed.

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                            anti? is it against libre software? because it doesn't seem so

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                            • callyral@pawb.socialC [email protected]

                              Leaks more metadata? What does that mean?

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                              sender, recipient, chatroom, what kind of event you sent (message, emoji, reaction, vote), if you responded to a message, room privilege changes, etc

                              but it's a question how big of a problem is that. they want to tackle it in the future, but that's far away for now I think

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                                Hidden inside the whatsapp->signal box in tiny faint font. I was wondering why there isn't a big "Discord -> Matrix"

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                                Matrix still lacks some signature fearures of discord that its users like, like one-click voice channels (I heard Element is experimenting with it with video) and guild/channel-level roles. role based access control is being planned for a long time, but it doesn't really go forward unfortunately

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                                  “I’m sick of apps owned by American oligarchs who want to steal my data! This app owned by Chinese oligarchs will surely be a better experience”

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                                  I saw someone suggest Yandex as a Google substitute in de-Google thread recently...lol

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                                  • kalcifer@sh.itjust.worksK [email protected]

                                    Matrix is […] distributed […].

                                    It is? How so?

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                                    Matrix servers keep a copy of any remote room an account on the server has joined, and it’s possible to recreate a room from the copies held on different servers. There are more details I don’t remember, but at a high level that’s how it’s distributed.

                                    Storing messages of remote rooms in addition to local rooms is why people complain about the storage requirements of Matrix servers. They don’t realize it’s distributed.

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                                      Loop.video is “currently not accepting new members”.

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                                      It's also a pretty rough experience tbh. It took about 2 days for me to gain access after signing up. Only usable via the Android sdk or iOS beta app. The infrastructure just isn't there yet.

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                                        I wish Boost understood the collapsible spoilers.

                                        On my client, it's all expanded and I see all the formatting characters. It looks/works great in a browser though.

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                                        I wish Boost understood the collapsible spoilers.

                                        On my client, it’s all expanded and I see all the formatting characters.

                                        Ah dang, that's good to know (though I'm not sure what to do as an alternative) — I was unaware that the collapsible spoilers weren't supported on Boost. I guess that means that Lemmy's markdown formatting hasn't entirely been standardized across the service. I personally have encountered some inconsistency on the Tesseract UI with CommonMark Autolink ^[2]^ formatting where the autolinks don't even render ^[1]^.

                                        ::: spoiler References

                                        1. "Kalcifer" @[email protected]. To: ["Happy #GlobalSwitchDay". @[email protected]. "Fediverse" [email protected]. Tesseract. sh.itjust.works. Published: 2025-02-01T07:08:40Z. Accessed: 2025-02-02T04:40Z. https://tesh.itjust.works/post/sh.itjust.works/32046509.]. Published: 2025-02-01T09:20:14Z. Accessed: 2025-02-02T04:42Z. https://sh.itjust.works/post/32046509/16425699.
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                                            Signal isn't federated ^[1][2][3.1]^; it's decentralized ^[1][2][3.2]^. Though, for all practical purposes, I would generally argue that it's centralized. 
                                            
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                                            1. Signal-Server. signalapp. Github. Published: 2025-01-31T15:34:14.000Z. Accessed: 2025-02-01T09:24Z. <https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server>.
                                               - This is the source code for the server that Signal uses.
                                            2. "Signal (software)". Wikipedia. Published: 2025-01-06T09:34Z. Accessed: 2025-02-1T09:30Z. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)>.
                                               - ¶"Architecture". ¶"Servers".
                                                 > Signal relies on centralized servers that are maintained by Signal Messenger. In addition to routing Signal's messages, the servers also facilitate the discovery of contacts who are also registered Signal users and the automatic exchange of users' public keys. […]
                                            3. "Reflections: The ecosystem is moving". moxie0. Signal Blog. Published: 2016-05-10. Accessed: 2025-02-01T09:40Z.  <https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/>.
                                               1. ¶5. to ¶"Stuck in time". ¶3-6
                                                  > One of the controversial things we did with Signal early on was to build it as an unfederated service. Nothing about any of the protocols we’ve developed requires centralization; it’s entirely possible to build a federated Signal Protocol-based messenger, but I no longer believe that it is possible to build a competitive federated messenger at all. […] [interoperable protocols] [have] taken us pretty far, but it’s undeniable that once you federate your protocol, it becomes very difficult to make changes. And right now, at the application level, things that stand still don’t fare very well in a world where the ecosystem is moving. […] Early on, I thought we’d federate Signal once its velocity had subsided. Now I realize that things will probably never slow down, and if anything the velocity of the entire landscape seems to be steadily increasing.
                                               2. ¶"Stuck in time". "Federation and control". ¶6.
                                                  > An open source infrastructure for a centralized network now provides almost the same level of control as federated protocols, without giving up the ability to adapt. If a centralized provider with an open source infrastructure ever makes horrible changes, those that disagree have the software they need to run their own alternative instead. It may not be as beautiful as federation, but at this point it seems that it will have to do.
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                                            • In the rendered text there are no links; however, there should be links at the end, as is shown by the CommonMark autolinks in the raw text.
                                        2. "CommonMark Spec". John MacFarlane. CommonMark. Version: 0.31.2. Published: 2024-01-28. Accessed: 2025-02-02T04:51Z. https://spec.commonmark.org/0.31.2/#uri-autolink.
                                          • §6.5 "Autolinks". ¶2.

                                            A URI autolink consists of <, followed by an absolute URI followed by >. It is parsed as a link to the URI, with the URI as the link’s label.
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                                          Same with Sync, unfortunately.

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                                          Dang 😕. See my comment for a related response.

                                          I recommend reporting the bug to the Sync devs to fix their Markdown formatting to improve feature compatibility between them and the Lemmy UI.

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