In light of recent events, here's OpenStreetMap editors discussing naming of the Gulf of Mexico
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Reference comments should stay on reddit.
Only if they detract from a discussion of substance.
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Russian doesn't even have definite articles, to them it was always just Ukraine.
Judging from this very polemic article by linguistic anthropologist Kahryn E. Graber, the argument is that a linguistic distinction that exists in Russian (and Ukrainian) is mirrorred in other languages using the definite article. 'Na Ukraine' on the one hand litterally means 'on Ukraine', 'v Ukraine' on the other 'in Ukraine'. Graber goes on to say that 'In Russian, a person is “na” an unbounded territory, such as a hill, but “v” a bounded territory that is defined politically or institutionally, such as a nation-state.' She would then probably also argue that the same, in English, goes for names like 'the Congo', being named after a river. The claim that this is a Soviet-era practice (if what she means by that is that it arose during the Soviet Union), is simply not true, though. In Google Books you can find plenty of titles with 'the Ukraine' from before 1900. The earliest mention I could find in English was from 1670.
It anyway strikes me as very performative. You can well argue that language influences the way we view the world (though, I think the way we view the world influences the language we use much more). Even so, there are obviously much bigger (concrete) threats to Ukrainian sovereignty than (to Ukrainians) foreigners using a definite article or not. Thus, it becomes less a matter of protecting sovereignty, and more a matter of simple respect to Ukrainian sensibilities. Ukrainians may take offence at you using the definite article, and you may want to prevent that by not saying 'the Ukraine'.
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Current U.S. leadership: Our billionaires are gonna be bigger than all the other billionaires in the world put together. (I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there: if US billionaires don't amass significantly more wealth, they won't be competitive in the billionaire world against outside billionaires.)
U.S. Democracy: If one dollar = one vote, I guess we should save all that money we have been wasting on elections.
The real reason for the surge in prosperity of the middle and lower classes after WWII: decimation of the ultra-wealthy throughout the developed world. Remember: the post WWII US income tax on the wealthy was 91% - literal decimation, for those who paid.
https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/whole-ball-of-tax-historical-income-tax-rates
(I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there
Once you have more money than you could reasonably spend in a lifetime, it just becomes another penis measuring contest for insecure manchildren.
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Next month:
- Texas -> Roof Tiles
- El Paso -> The Pass
- The Alamo -> The Poplar
- Santa Fe -> Holy Faith
- Nevada -> Snowed
- Colorado -> Red
- Palo Alto -> High Stick
- Nogales -> Walnuts
- Los Angeles -> The Angels
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Paper companies would make a killing profit this period.
Baton Rouge -> Red Stick
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Why is this even being discussed?
Are they discussing renaming Taiwan to China as well?
Taiwan is the island, also known as Formosa, and it is ruled by the Republic of China. Separately, but still part of that state, there's the autonomous mainland provinces, calling themselves the People's Republic of China, a rebel faction which somehow steadfastly refuses to declare independence.
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As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:
- name:en Gulf of Mexico
- official_name:en-US Gulf of America
@zlatiah Best comment in this thread: " Can we retag Trump’s golf courses as Golf of Mexico? "
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Next month:
- Texas -> Roof Tiles
- El Paso -> The Pass
- The Alamo -> The Poplar
- Santa Fe -> Holy Faith
- Nevada -> Snowed
- Colorado -> Red
- Palo Alto -> High Stick
- Nogales -> Walnuts
- Los Angeles -> The Angels
…
Paper companies would make a killing profit this period.
- Nogales -> Walnuts
How about you rename deez (wal)nutz
Sorry, had to
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(I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there
Once you have more money than you could reasonably spend in a lifetime, it just becomes another penis measuring contest for insecure manchildren.
I could see myself wanting to own multiple private islands, getting Larry Ellison to sell me Lanai is going to take a lot of money.
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They also returned from the war to a much stronger welfare system.
Oh, hell yeah. My parents got 4 and 6 year college degrees based off the income of a teacher, hairdresser, mechanic, and night watchman.
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Can we poll the community for alternate names that would enrage Trump? If it's gonna change, let's have fun with it.
Gulf of Veganism and Low Cholesterol
Gulf of Checks and Balances
Gulf of 34 Felony Counts
Gulf of Cheetos (let's get those sweet advertising dollars while we're at it)
Gulf of Insecurity
Kamala-Clinton Gulf
Gulf of 34 Felony Counts
We could tell these fuckers that Trump broke 34 rules and to Google "trump rule 34", but given a) Trump's history in the sexual department, and b) the fact most of them will actually jack off to this, I don't think it's a good idea
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Taiwan is the island, also known as Formosa, and it is ruled by the Republic of China. Separately, but still part of that state, there's the autonomous mainland provinces, calling themselves the People's Republic of China, a rebel faction which somehow steadfastly refuses to declare independence.
Looking at it this way, I'd call the "mainland" part West Taiwan
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name:en: Gulf of Mexicostupid_name:en-US-confederate-bootlicker: Gulf of Amerikkka
That should suffice.
OSM has a tag for everything, wow
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Looking at it this way, I'd call the "mainland" part West Taiwan
Nah West Taiwan is the western half of Taiwan. It's an island, not a state, just as Denmark is not Jutland, or Spain, or Portugal (fight!) Iberia.
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As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:
- name:en Gulf of Mexico
- official_name:en-US Gulf of America
Such a weird thing for everyone to fixate on and lose their shit. Let our dumbass en-US selves do whatever "official" dumbass thing we have to with the name.
Everyone else can leave it what it always was.
Next time there's a Democrat U.S. President, the "en-US" term will be changed back to Gulf of Mexico.
This is stupid.
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Why is this even being discussed?
Are they discussing renaming Taiwan to China as well?
The name itself can't really change in OSM because it's based on what someone "on the ground" would see, i.e. street signs, etc.
Previous OSM naming conflicts have usually been areas of disputed land where some group de-facto controls the land and therefore the street signs, and their name is used.
That's not going to work very well for a region of mostly international waters with several countries putting up their own signs to it.
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As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:
- name:en Gulf of Mexico
- official_name:en-US Gulf of America
It’s calles the Gulf of Mexico, people should stop using different names in different languages and use the actual name.
Like The Netherlands is called The Netherlands and two of it’s provinces are called Holland
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Such a weird thing for everyone to fixate on and lose their shit. Let our dumbass en-US selves do whatever "official" dumbass thing we have to with the name.
Everyone else can leave it what it always was.
Next time there's a Democrat U.S. President, the "en-US" term will be changed back to Gulf of Mexico.
This is stupid.
It's true and it's such a distraction. There is so much worse shit going on right now in the US government. I'm tired of not calling it a coup. It's a coup. They're trying to act like the judicial branch doesn't get to determine what is and isn't constitutional. So much shit.
As bad and as cringe as it is for the "Gulf of America" debacle to happen, it's just genuinely not worth the headspace right now.
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It’s calles the Gulf of Mexico, people should stop using different names in different languages and use the actual name.
Like The Netherlands is called The Netherlands and two of it’s provinces are called Holland
it's a tricky question, arguably there are more people on this planet that call countries by their Mandarin name, followed by their Spanish name, followed by their English name, than the name in the native language.
De Guo > Alemania > Germany > Deutschland for example
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As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:
- name:en Gulf of Mexico
- official_name:en-US Gulf of America
It is the gulf of mexico. The whole thing is just president musk and vp trump power tripping. Also a distraction from other, much worse thjngs happening right now.
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It is the gulf of mexico. The whole thing is just president musk and vp trump power tripping. Also a distraction from other, much worse thjngs happening right now.
Personally I'd prefer it if they spent all four years renaming things to Mount Hitler or whatever instead of doing anything actual.
