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Mexican President Threatens to Sue Google Over 'Gulf of America' Label on Maps.

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  • R [email protected]

    The word "America" is not reserved for the USA alone and belongs to the entire Americas: North America, Central America, South America. As such if they want to rename the Gulf of Mexico then it should be the Gulf of North America of which both the USA and Mexico are a part of and share borders around that body of water.

    Furthermore the word "America" isn't an English word but the German bastardization of an Italian word. Specifically the word "America" was coined by Martin Waldseemüller a German cartographer who named the Americas after Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci who explored the new continents for Spain and Portugal.

    Amerigo Vespucci - History Cartoon ~ Innovative History ~ YouTube.

    So if this is the big orange blow-fish's attempt to dis on Mexico then it's pretty petty much like everything he does to massage his massive ego.

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    The US keeps it to flex on all the other American countries. It's a display of dominance.

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      Google is one of many propaganda arms of the US govt. I highly doubt they'd comply with that as it doesn't fit in with their political agenda.

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      At that point they would be like twitter in Brazil when they didn't comply with fines and were blocked at the country level: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y06vzk3yjo

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        The suit should be by an American cartography company over the proper US Board on Geographic Names's official process not being followed for the name change.

        I'm actually submitting a name change to the board. But since the USGS added a bit on the process saying that resetablisglhing historical names isn't a reason for a name change, I'm going to recommend it be changed to "The Gulf," since it meets all criteria for a name change - most importantly that it be a name in common usage by locals. Lots of people refer to it as "The Gulf," while "Gulf of America" isn't in common usage.

        The most we can do outside of lawsuits is at least try to take the "America" part away.

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        the proper US Board on Geographic Names’s official process not being followed for the name change.

        This is the theme of this administration. Doing whatever they want with no regard for process. This gulf of "America" nonsense truly feels like the actions of a believed king or emperor. A frivolous decree that doesn't change anything, doesn't materially affect anything, just an opportunity to exercise their believed power.

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          It looks like they’re giving the lawyers time to find legal arguments to file.

          Though they could jusr ban Google from their country.

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          • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

            You have drug cartels.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking_allegations

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            Everyone has drug cartels. The US doesn't even make thr top 20 tho.

            https://finance.yahoo.com/news/20-countries-highest-number-drug-220037331.html

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              I fucking love pancakes, hockey, beer, and poutine, where do I sign up?

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              You also have to be able to curse well, and hate shoveling snow.

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              • teamassimilation@infosec.pubT [email protected]

                The new name shows only for USA. In Mexico it’s unchanged, or shown with both names.

                Our president is dumb and just wants to look like she’s fighting back.

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                It’s showing up worldwide. Its why Mexico is threatening to sue.

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                  Senkaku Islands are the center of a dispute between Japan and China, both claim them, both have names for them. Wikipedia goes more in depth.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands

                  On google maps we get...

                  So it's not like they can't give stuff multiple names.

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                    What's dumb about this is that in their jurisdiction (Mexico) it is actually the "Gulf of Mexico" in Google Maps, they don't get the "Gulf of America" name. In the US it's labelled as "Gulf of America" without mentioning "Gulf of Mexico" which you could argue Google has to do because it (theoretically) follows national laws everywhere it operates.

                    That's why Korean users don't see the Sea of Japan to their east, they see the East Sea. That's why in some locations the Persian Gulf is referred to as the Arabian Gulf instead. It's also why inside India the borders you see for Kashmir don't match the borders you see for Kashmir if you're in Pakistan. The rest of the world sees a third version of that area with areas marked as disputed.

                    What's really annoying is that every other country in the world is exposed to this "Gulf of America" silliness, even countries where people don't speak English. I can understand (just barely) having "(Gulf of America)" under "Gulf of Mexico" in English-speaking countries because if someone is hearing news from a US source and they refer to the Gulf of America, it might be useful to know what they're talking about. It's in the news now, but in 3 years say you're a high-school kid trying to do a geography report and can't find the feature on the map, that could be annoying.

                    But, this parenthesis rule apparently even extends to Germany, where it's "Golf von Mexiko (Golf von Amerika)". There's no reason to include a name that doesn't exist in your language on your version of the maps app. If I, as an English-maps user look at Germany, I don't get Munich (Munchen). I don't get Florence (Firenze), I don't get India (Bhārat). There's a long-standing tradition that maps show things in the name that's local to the map user. Sometimes, over time, a name gets changed to be closer to the way it's said in the local language, so Peking became Beijing.

                    Also, google addressed this in a blog post from 2008, almost literally describing this situation:

                    "How Google determines the names for bodies of water in Google Earth ... if a ruler announced that henceforth the Pacific Ocean would be named after her mother, we would not add that placemark unless and until the name came into common usage"

                    Other than the ruler not being female, the body of water being a different one, and "America" not being Donald Trump's mother, this is the exact situation.

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                    • D [email protected]

                      if the US government wanted Google to do something, they could storm their headquarters and get the government tech people to go in the servers and change it.

                      Bwahahahahahahainhalehahahahahahaa

                      Thanks, I needed that. Whatever movies you're watching are terrible.

                      Forcing your way into Google to have "government techs" change something is NCIS level ridiculous. Conceivably they might get a court order to "force" Google to change. Funnily enough, the US and Mexico have the exact same levers to make a company do what they want. The US has more power to push those levers though.

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                      We'll see who's laughing after the government breaks through all of Google's firewalls and hacks their mainframe!
                      They're gonna need a lot of cyber-tape if they want any chance of stopping all the data from spilling through their firewalls.
                      And who knows how google would handle a cyber-nuke.

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                        Everyone has drug cartels. The US doesn't even make thr top 20 tho.

                        https://finance.yahoo.com/news/20-countries-highest-number-drug-220037331.html

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                        That link isn't resolving.

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                        • J [email protected]

                          Cancel all government contracts with google

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                          God I hope this happens, it will be absolutely hilarious when the GCP services on which MX infraestructure for telecommunications, research and development, industry, transportation, banking, agriculture, logistics and health is built up, crashes burning to the ground.

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                            You also have to be able to curse well, and hate shoveling snow.

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                            Hm, I actually don't hate shoveling snow yet but I bet that'd change after a few more times doing it.

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                              Cancel all government contracts with google

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                              And for the love of god do not switch over to another American company, or any company, go FOSS and decentralized

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                              • B [email protected]

                                You think Google and Apple should call it the Gulf of America?

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                                I think Google and Apple should call it whatever the official names are, not to take any sort of political stance.

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                                  Except no one said that you idiot.

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                                  Furbag said that Google is fascist, while Apple is doing exactly the same thing. You absolute moron.

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                                  • flyingsquid@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                    He literally said he would be a dictator if elected.

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/06/donald-trump-sean-hannity-dictator-day-one-response-iowa-town-hall

                                    Maybe pay attention rather than hurl silly insults.

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                                    Trump said on the “day one” he referred to, he would use his presidential powers to close the southern border with Mexico

                                    That's from article you linked. Maybe read the content of the articles you link to, not just the headlines.

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                                      Trump said on the “day one” he referred to, he would use his presidential powers to close the southern border with Mexico

                                      That's from article you linked. Maybe read the content of the articles you link to, not just the headlines.

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                                      I read it. How does that mean he didn't literally say he would be a dictator if elected? That was one of the examples he gave of how he would be a dictator.

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                                        I think Google and Apple should call it whatever the official names are, not to take any sort of political stance.

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                                        Then why add “Gulf of America” in countries that do not recognize the name?

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                                        • E [email protected]

                                          Oh yeah, I forgot. Implying people enjoy soy is an insult. Ouch! My feelings.

                                          I never said Dictayorship. Because that's terrible spelling of the only word you needed to spell correctly to actually criticise me. I also never linked the mislabeling of the Gulf as destroying the planet. He is though...

                                          He proclaimed that he will "OWN" Gaza through means of literal ethnic cleansing. He's conspiring with Putin to help finalise his invasion of eastern Ukraine. He's currently purging the Government of minorities and people he deems unloyal. Elon Musk is infiltrating and tearing up government departments as an unelected right-hand entity. His right-wing army are, by algorithm, shifting the western world easily into fascism. I could go on but I'm done with you.

                                          Bottom line... pay attention.

                                          Also... the fact that you put forward Trump was elected by majority of Americans is a straight out lie. Grow up.

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                                          Oh, I mistyped a word, while writing on my phone. That means I'm wrong, who did I miss that?!

                                          Its also funny how you say Trump "is infiltrating and tearing down government departments". Bro, he's the president, everything he's doing it's in his powers. Did the previous president also "infiltrate" the government departments?

                                          He's "purging" the DEI hires, the people who are there just because of their skin color or sexual preferences, did you forget how the former white house speaker was "the first gay black woman"? That's the only thing that recomended her.

                                          I'm really curious how Trump being elected by the majority of the Americans is a lie, please enlighten me.

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