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US fab construction costs twice as much, takes twice as long as Taiwan

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    Well, Taiwan and Singapore are able to be competitive in the world market, despite being very small and lacking major resource advantages or big militaries. They do this by developing very sophisticated expertise and pressing the few very particular advantages they have.

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    There are exceptions of course, but they are often less about "finding a niche", and more about politics. Taiwan is an important client state of the US for geopolitical strategy. Such relationships can include more favorable trade deals. I don't know much about Singapore except that that it's all about the finance "industry". Seems like it's the place where Eastern and Western billionaires can make financial transactions with each other.

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      Isn't the check engine light simply a timer and not an actual sensor? Programmed to light at least once a year and at least every 5k miles

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      No... That's the oil change indicator. Different lights.

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        The check engine light can trigger for a host of reasons, one of which is routine maintenance like oil (5k miles these days). To know what's causing it, you need to check the codes.

        On most cars, if it blinks when starting up then goes away, it's time to change the oil. If it stays on, it's past time and/or there's another sensor tripping.

        Don't ignore the check engine light. It takes like 30 sec to diagnose at any auto parts store, so just drop by and ask for a free scan if you don't have a reader or don't want to take it to a mechanic.

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        one of which is routine maintenance like oil (5k miles these days) [...] On most cars, if it blinks when starting up then goes away, it's time to change the oil. If it stays on, it's past time and/or there's another sensor tripping.

        The "check engine" light will never illuminate for an oil change reminder. If the vehicle is equipped as such, it'll have a separate "maintenance reminder" light.

        It takes like 30 sec to diagnose at any auto parts store,

        Pulling codes ≠ diagnosing

        If you're taking it to a parts store to pull the codes, get the specific codes and nothing else. Don't listen to the parts store guys, they are there to sell you parts.

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          Also because Taiwan has basically slave labor like China. Also things cost more here cuz our workers have benefits and things like rights.

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          You're getting downvoted, but I work in the industry (GF, Intel, TI, TEL, Screen) and have heard horror stories from people who have worked on TSMC and even Samsung sites.

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            one of which is routine maintenance like oil (5k miles these days) [...] On most cars, if it blinks when starting up then goes away, it's time to change the oil. If it stays on, it's past time and/or there's another sensor tripping.

            The "check engine" light will never illuminate for an oil change reminder. If the vehicle is equipped as such, it'll have a separate "maintenance reminder" light.

            It takes like 30 sec to diagnose at any auto parts store,

            Pulling codes ≠ diagnosing

            If you're taking it to a parts store to pull the codes, get the specific codes and nothing else. Don't listen to the parts store guys, they are there to sell you parts.

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            One of my older cars (2006) did trip the check engine light for oil changes IIRC. I could be mistaken though.

            Regardless, checking the codes is always a good idea, never assume.

            Don’t listen to the parts store guys, they are there to sell you parts.

            Absolutely. But pulling the code is absolutely the first step to figuring out what went wrong. Sometimes it directly indicates the issue, and sometimes it trips due to another issue. I take the code, do a little research, and if I'm not confident in my own diagnosis (or it'll be a costly repair), I'll take it to a mechanic.

            But don't just sit on the check engine light. Figure out what it is and address it. In my state, you can't pass emissions testing w/o having a clear check engine light (and yes, they check if you cleared it) or apply for an exemption, so we at least need to take care of it by then.

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              One of my older cars (2006) did trip the check engine light for oil changes IIRC. I could be mistaken though.

              Regardless, checking the codes is always a good idea, never assume.

              Don’t listen to the parts store guys, they are there to sell you parts.

              Absolutely. But pulling the code is absolutely the first step to figuring out what went wrong. Sometimes it directly indicates the issue, and sometimes it trips due to another issue. I take the code, do a little research, and if I'm not confident in my own diagnosis (or it'll be a costly repair), I'll take it to a mechanic.

              But don't just sit on the check engine light. Figure out what it is and address it. In my state, you can't pass emissions testing w/o having a clear check engine light (and yes, they check if you cleared it) or apply for an exemption, so we at least need to take care of it by then.

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              100% on all points. I used to be a mechanic, and I DIY 99% of my vehicle's needs (except windshields, tires, and full alignments - simply for lack of equipment). Very important to get the codes, because, for example, a P0456 could be caused by something as simple as a loose gas cap (95% of the time), or something could be wrong with the evap system.

              Though I'm curious what car you had that tripped the check engine light like that... 🤔

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                100% on all points. I used to be a mechanic, and I DIY 99% of my vehicle's needs (except windshields, tires, and full alignments - simply for lack of equipment). Very important to get the codes, because, for example, a P0456 could be caused by something as simple as a loose gas cap (95% of the time), or something could be wrong with the evap system.

                Though I'm curious what car you had that tripped the check engine light like that... 🤔

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                Again, I could be mistaken, but I thought it was my Toyota minivan. My other Toyota (2007 Prius) definitely has a "maintenance" light, and the minivan also occasionally threw check engine lights due to the fuel sensor (often tripped with low fuel in the tank), so I could honestly just be misremembering.

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                  Again, I could be mistaken, but I thought it was my Toyota minivan. My other Toyota (2007 Prius) definitely has a "maintenance" light, and the minivan also occasionally threw check engine lights due to the fuel sensor (often tripped with low fuel in the tank), so I could honestly just be misremembering.

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                  Was it a Sienna, by chance? I have a 2008 Sienna with an ominous-looking maintenance reminder light.

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                    Was it a Sienna, by chance? I have a 2008 Sienna with an ominous-looking maintenance reminder light.

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                    Yup, Sienna.

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                      Yup, Sienna.

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                      Nice. Appears mine is currently illuminated 😅

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                        There are exceptions of course, but they are often less about "finding a niche", and more about politics. Taiwan is an important client state of the US for geopolitical strategy. Such relationships can include more favorable trade deals. I don't know much about Singapore except that that it's all about the finance "industry". Seems like it's the place where Eastern and Western billionaires can make financial transactions with each other.

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                        Taiwan absolutely found a niche. Its manufacturing capability is what makes it a strategic ally for the US.

                        Singapore’s niche is more like several niches from financial services to precision manufacturing and medical research. But it all runs on their skilled workforce. Not “politics.”

                        A niche will be based on whatever you have. If you have nothing but cheap labor, that’s not great, but it is something. To sell that labor to wealthy foreign corporations isn’t just getting dominated by them, it’s how China has raised millions out of poverty.

                        Being poor and undeveloped is a shitty hand to try to play, but that doesn’t change the game. Use what you have. Find what you’re best at.

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                          Taiwan absolutely found a niche. Its manufacturing capability is what makes it a strategic ally for the US.

                          Singapore’s niche is more like several niches from financial services to precision manufacturing and medical research. But it all runs on their skilled workforce. Not “politics.”

                          A niche will be based on whatever you have. If you have nothing but cheap labor, that’s not great, but it is something. To sell that labor to wealthy foreign corporations isn’t just getting dominated by them, it’s how China has raised millions out of poverty.

                          Being poor and undeveloped is a shitty hand to try to play, but that doesn’t change the game. Use what you have. Find what you’re best at.

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                          I'm saying Taiwan was able to develop its niche due to its strategic (geographic) interest to the US, not the other way around. China has raised millions out of poverty via cheap labor, yes. However, the reason is that its size allows it to maintain ownership of the profits, which are reinvested in China.

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