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Trump is giving Russian cyber ops a free pass – and putting western democracy on the line.

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  • tea@programming.devT [email protected]

    The Kremlin has long sought to sow chaos using ‘information confrontation’. That job just got a lot easier

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    It's simple, when Trump sees a bus he throws something under it.

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      I confirm he's a warcriminal. trump, putin, zelenskyy, macron and pretty much all rulers are corrupted pigs with blood on their hands, don't you agree?

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      See, this is exactly what you do. You pretend to admit to it, but only in a comment where you say "oh yeah, Putin is a warcriminal IF everyone else is as well". That's not admitting to his criminality, that's you trying to be "smart."

      It's genuinely like arguing a twelve-year old school boy. Worse, honestly. I talked to some tweeners today on the bus and they made better arguments than you do when they defended vaping on the bus. FFS.

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        Dasus stay focus and don't pick up useless fights. The oldest trick in the book is to put people against each others so they ignore actual problems.

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        Just like always. You can't admit to Russia illegally invading Ukraine, Putin being personally responsible for several crimes against humanity unlike Zelensky, because you can't take a side in this, because your arse clenches up at the slightest thought of rebelling against what you ultimately know to be wrong.

        Coward.

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        • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

          See, this is exactly what you do. You pretend to admit to it, but only in a comment where you say "oh yeah, Putin is a warcriminal IF everyone else is as well". That's not admitting to his criminality, that's you trying to be "smart."

          It's genuinely like arguing a twelve-year old school boy. Worse, honestly. I talked to some tweeners today on the bus and they made better arguments than you do when they defended vaping on the bus. FFS.

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          I just confirmed that putin is a warcriminal and you are trying to prove that i didn't...

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            I just confirmed that putin is a warcriminal and you are trying to prove that i didn't...

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            So you admit he's a warcriminal because of the crimes on humanity he's guilty of, which Zelensky is not? You're not taking a side.

            I don't think you're a state actor, you're clearly not a professional in anything. But like... even if I did, do you think I'm actually trying to say that Russian disinfo wouldn't be able to lie?

            Now you're just doing the very same "oh I already admitted to that" thing, because you pretend like saying "all world leaders are bad" means the same thing as admitting to Putin's crimes.

            You avoid being directly unpatriotic, because you think you can outsmart me. It's like watching a toddler hide behind some curtains, not realising their feet are showing and that one can actually hear them giggling.

            Basically, you avoid anything that could actually get you thrown out of a window. You won't actually take a stand against Putin. No, you'll try to pretend to admit to criticising him while trying to criticise Zelensky. Zelensky hasn't invaded a sovereign nation with his armed forces. He is defending his country though, and unlike Putin, he isn't a low-test bald fattie hiding in a bunker.

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            • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

              So you admit he's a warcriminal because of the crimes on humanity he's guilty of, which Zelensky is not? You're not taking a side.

              I don't think you're a state actor, you're clearly not a professional in anything. But like... even if I did, do you think I'm actually trying to say that Russian disinfo wouldn't be able to lie?

              Now you're just doing the very same "oh I already admitted to that" thing, because you pretend like saying "all world leaders are bad" means the same thing as admitting to Putin's crimes.

              You avoid being directly unpatriotic, because you think you can outsmart me. It's like watching a toddler hide behind some curtains, not realising their feet are showing and that one can actually hear them giggling.

              Basically, you avoid anything that could actually get you thrown out of a window. You won't actually take a stand against Putin. No, you'll try to pretend to admit to criticising him while trying to criticise Zelensky. Zelensky hasn't invaded a sovereign nation with his armed forces. He is defending his country though, and unlike Putin, he isn't a low-test bald fattie hiding in a bunker.

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              I just said that putin is a warcriminal and you accuse me of not taking a stand against him because i don't support zelensky. Do you realize how wrong and twisted this logic is?

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                I just said that putin is a warcriminal and you accuse me of not taking a stand against him because i don't support zelensky. Do you realize how wrong and twisted this logic is?

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                You're not taking a stand.

                That's like me saying "hey, that guy there, he raped a person, I saw him put his dick into another person with force, against their will" and me asking you to be a witness and affirm that thing to the cops, and then you come in and say "well yeah, everyone who has a penis is technically a rapist, so yeah, I admit that that person is a rapist because he has a penis" which would mean you're implying that you are not a witness to that rape.

                You see how this works? Like each and every time, I have to draw it out of you, and then when I do, you just skip and run. I told you, we've had this chat a dozen times.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

                Since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the Russian military and authorities have committed war crimes, such as deliberate attacks against civilian targets, including on hospitals, medical facilities and on the energy grid;[1][2][3] indiscriminate attacks on densely-populated areas; the abduction, torture and murder of civilians; forced deportations; sexual violence; destruction of cultural heritage; and the killing and torture of Ukrainian prisoners of war.

                If you accept these to be true, I'd shut up. But you won't. Instead you'll keep whatabouting about Zelensky, hoping I'll instead try to shift the conversation onto asking "why don't you support Zelensky", but that's kinda obvious, so I don't. And you won't accept those crimes, like all the dozens of times before, and you won't accept that Putin should be held personally responsible for those crimes either, I'd wager.

                Please, do prove me wrong.

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                • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                  It's not all of them, but it's enough to influence idiots.

                  Like people seriously underestimate Russian disinfo and cyber warfare.

                  You'll find Russians absolutely fucking everywhere.

                  People exactly like Davel.

                  I had a similar moron on Ireland discord claim he's native born Irish, I taunted him to voice channel and when he spoke it was a very heavy Russian accent, and bro didn't even know what a limerick is.

                  It's beyond easy to catch poorly educated Ruskis playing westerners if you keep any wits about you.

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                  I meant it's not limited to lemmy.ml.

                  And yeah, it's pretty easy to tell disinfo most of the time if you prod a little.

                  I got banned from some .ml community because I had the audacity to suggest that maybe Russia isn't the best place in the world for individual privacy, but I think the mod was from another instance altogether. I honestly can't remember the details, but it was pretty clear a few steps into the discussion that they were at least a Russian apologist if not full-on spreading disinfo intentionally, so I baited them to push the mod button. And they did. I could have disengaged, but I don't want to be part of a community where even mild criticism of a nation isn't allowed.

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                  • merde@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                    we'll see in 4 years. Their next election, if they have one, will be the test.

                    All of donald's executive orders can be undone in a day. Wonder why he doesn't try to make real change using Republican majorities 🤷

                    probably because he doesn't care about the U.S., he is there to make money and he got his "get out of jail" card

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                    Man, we're not even 3 months in (6%) and everyone is preparing for world war 3. Americans needs to step up now.

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                    • dasus@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                      You're not taking a stand.

                      That's like me saying "hey, that guy there, he raped a person, I saw him put his dick into another person with force, against their will" and me asking you to be a witness and affirm that thing to the cops, and then you come in and say "well yeah, everyone who has a penis is technically a rapist, so yeah, I admit that that person is a rapist because he has a penis" which would mean you're implying that you are not a witness to that rape.

                      You see how this works? Like each and every time, I have to draw it out of you, and then when I do, you just skip and run. I told you, we've had this chat a dozen times.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

                      Since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the Russian military and authorities have committed war crimes, such as deliberate attacks against civilian targets, including on hospitals, medical facilities and on the energy grid;[1][2][3] indiscriminate attacks on densely-populated areas; the abduction, torture and murder of civilians; forced deportations; sexual violence; destruction of cultural heritage; and the killing and torture of Ukrainian prisoners of war.

                      If you accept these to be true, I'd shut up. But you won't. Instead you'll keep whatabouting about Zelensky, hoping I'll instead try to shift the conversation onto asking "why don't you support Zelensky", but that's kinda obvious, so I don't. And you won't accept those crimes, like all the dozens of times before, and you won't accept that Putin should be held personally responsible for those crimes either, I'd wager.

                      Please, do prove me wrong.

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                      You’re not taking a stand.

                      I'm taking the stand of justice and accusing war criminals of their wrongdoings. All of them not just one.

                      You keep bitching about me but you haven't answer the question yourself. Do you agree that trump, putin, zelenskyy, macron and most world rulers are all corrupted pigs with blood on their hands?

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                        You’re not taking a stand.

                        I'm taking the stand of justice and accusing war criminals of their wrongdoings. All of them not just one.

                        You keep bitching about me but you haven't answer the question yourself. Do you agree that trump, putin, zelenskyy, macron and most world rulers are all corrupted pigs with blood on their hands?

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                        • I [email protected]

                          Dasus stay focus and don't pick up useless fights. The oldest trick in the book is to put people against each others so they ignore actual problems.

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