Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions.
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Most people are not good without religion, they are good because of civilization. If society breaks down, everyone is going to get real mean, real quick.
The most evil people in Nazi Germany were generally anti-religious.
Even with civilisation or society, there's always been a subset of people looking to exploit whatever facet of existence they can, whether it be religion, politics, crimes of opportunity, weaknesses in social systems, or even the justice systems that are supposedly meant to deal with those flaws.
And to add even more complexity, other people who aren't pieces of shit looking to exploit others form emotional attachments to those who are and are fooled by their lies and will defend them. Others don't have attachments but see parallels to themselves and worry that attempts to deal with the problematic ones will result in the same treatment being applied to them (and aren't necessarily wrong because even justice trying to act in good faith can get it wrong).
It's all a complex web of power struggles and religion is just one set of stands.
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Religon is brain cancer.
It's a control mechanism from some of the earliest human societies, and today it is a dangerous tool that was just left lying around for any con man to take advantage of.
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my mom: "I just want a community to hang out with on Sundays and sing comforting hymns with. I don't know why instead, everyone has to be weird about it."
If that's all churches did nobody would be celebrating their demise
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Or trans phobia
Or the ones who hate colored people
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my mom: "I just want a community to hang out with on Sundays and sing comforting hymns with. I don't know why instead, everyone has to be weird about it."
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my mom: "I just want a community to hang out with on Sundays and sing comforting hymns with. I don't know why instead, everyone has to be weird about it."
I'm a proud atheist. And I get where she is coming from. Community is lacking and that's sad.
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There's still some toxicity around a Buddhism at least. Living in SEA I now know several people who are really turned off by the practices and beliefs of their family's religion, Buddhism, from the way all troubles are explained away as karma to neurodiversity and Learning Differences being hidden because that would mean that person did something bad in their past life.
I used to think Buddhism specifically was the "good" religion that's more like philosophy, but spending more time with people who grew up deep in Buddhism has made me see there's really more to the community and it's beliefs and practices than I thought.
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Not surprising.
From personal experience, you find out pretty quickly that most of your peers are hypocrites that are rewarded, rather then punished.
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That's for Spring (rebirth, Easter), not Winter.
Christmas is for Winter, it celebrates the birth of Jesus Christ. It came from Saturnalia, probably the most important holiday of Roman society.
No. I mean, first of all let's start with the fact that both Winter solstice and Spring Equinox were so-called pagan holidays that Christianty subsumed. Right? Let's start there.
Then let's understand that those so-called pagan holidays were traditions based on earlier - much earlier - observances. And those observances were astronomical in origin.
The winter solstice is when the sun stops moving for three days - it rises in the same location whereas all the time before that it had been moving slightly every day.
After those three days it starts moving back. That's the birth. Life is born again. We're going to make it around the sun another time. That sort of thing.
Spring / Vernal equinox is when we make sure everyone has progeny. Rabbits. Flowers. Eggs. Chrisitanity decided to appropriate this one to mark Jesus' ascent into heaven. Fine. But irrelevant. Because it has nothing to do with life on earth - very literally, it's about leaving earth and going to heaven.
That's why there's such a disconnect about crucifixion and rabbits and eggs. They don't have anything to do with each other because the church yoinked a pagan tradition to keep people from celebrating it outside the church.
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Not really! I mean like - why does life exist? Is there any relevance in the idea of reincarnation? Does time exist outside of us? What is "good works"?
Someone hold forth on a personal story that exemplifies something good.
You'd think we have enough stoners to get something like that going, but not really. And the esoterica side of Lemmy is very tiny and not well-attended.
tbh I think tumblr's got more of a corner on that kind of work/vibe.
Not that Lemmy can't or won't become that but at the moment it's more like alternate reality reddit which atm is just fine for most people.
Is there any relevance in the idea of reincarnation?
Of course. In Theravāda Buddhism you will find a highly literal interpretation as well as a more general, "spiritual" interpretation
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Not enough people leaving the very worst religion of all.
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It seems like more a redundancy than an oxymoron.
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Not enough people leaving the very worst religion of all.
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Santa was more believable.
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So long as they’re not moving on to a new one, good. Religion is a plague on human society. We don’t need it holding us back.
Be careful that anti-theism may e as harmful as any fundamentalist religion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3D4tMVaO7kWhat I think is not that we should "abolish" religion (granted that I know you did not propose that. I'm just extrapolating from "religion is a plague")
I think we should move to exploring different religions without holding any of them as superior to the other, or at least not judging before reading a it more on your own accord and desire.
Someone pointed about issues on buddhism, which are true issues.
But eastern religions take from buddhism, taoism and confucionism religions and it is not uncommon to take a few different takes from each one of these as one goes in their own studies.
Same way, I think the rise of pagan religions would be useful to have the idea of being exposed to different concepts of religious ideas
Or similarly, different philosophical ideas, like reading from plato, but also from hume, but also from descartes, but also from....
As long as one doesn't stay stagnant on the same philosophical pool, there is no harm browsing (with sufficient care) other ideas.
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I hope it isn't like the similarly named subreddit where the moderator was against calling Elon's salute for what it was.
I'll be honest and a bit jaded, These "uplifting" comunities do feel a bit like the "this is fine" meme (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-is-fine)
Not that I am against uplifting news. I'm just cautious because I've seen a fair share of nazi dogwhistle associated with this idea.
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No. I mean, first of all let's start with the fact that both Winter solstice and Spring Equinox were so-called pagan holidays that Christianty subsumed. Right? Let's start there.
Then let's understand that those so-called pagan holidays were traditions based on earlier - much earlier - observances. And those observances were astronomical in origin.
The winter solstice is when the sun stops moving for three days - it rises in the same location whereas all the time before that it had been moving slightly every day.
After those three days it starts moving back. That's the birth. Life is born again. We're going to make it around the sun another time. That sort of thing.
Spring / Vernal equinox is when we make sure everyone has progeny. Rabbits. Flowers. Eggs. Chrisitanity decided to appropriate this one to mark Jesus' ascent into heaven. Fine. But irrelevant. Because it has nothing to do with life on earth - very literally, it's about leaving earth and going to heaven.
That's why there's such a disconnect about crucifixion and rabbits and eggs. They don't have anything to do with each other because the church yoinked a pagan tradition to keep people from celebrating it outside the church.
That makes a lot of sense. Until you consider that around Winter solstice, we don't celebrate the resurrection, but the birth. How do you explain that disconnect?
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Most people have already left, they just don't realise. If you don't go to church or mosque (probably not Buddhism or Hinduism) you already essentially betrayed the values you once were told to hold, but people are scared to admit because of metaphysical punishments in the afterlife
If not that, then public repercussions prevent them from admitting, and what once held the place of religion in communities is quickly being replaced with ideology instead, it provides community, tenets to follow, laws to abide by, and gives purpose for those who lack it
This started way in the past, and Russia would have likely also been more atheist than orthodox if the USSR didn't turn priests into martyrs by forcing a non religious status quo onto everyone and becoming a dictatorial tyrant with so called dictatorship of the "proletariat" which usually only turns into a dictatorship where only bureaucrats and party members exist in.
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Religon is brain cancer.
It's a control mechanism from some of the earliest human societies, and today it is a dangerous tool that was just left lying around for any con man to take advantage of.
I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
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Whats funny is when they leave their childhood one and go to another. The new one seems better because they don't know enough about it.
Some do, some don't. Most ex-mormons like myself don't end up going to another religion. We already have a community of like-minded people on the outside.
