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Le Pen’s ‘Save Democracy’ rally after guilty verdict falls short of expectations

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  • F [email protected]

    And what if the majority of the people want to be ruled by someone who broke a law? Isnt their right to choose?

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    Of all the asinine arguments that could be made that is about the worst one I have heard

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      Of all the asinine arguments that could be made that is about the worst one I have heard

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      Thats not an answer

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        And what if the majority of the people want to be ruled by someone who broke a law? Isnt their right to choose?

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        It looks to me like enough people want you to shut up, yet you won't.

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          Thats not an answer

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          If you have a problem with it, go talk to the French government and start a petition to change it. There's no point arguing here about it.

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            And what if the majority of the people want to be ruled by someone who broke a law? Isnt their right to choose?

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            The detailed and nuanced answer would take into account the exact crime, but the short answer: No.

            A democracy must guard itself against usurpation by demagogues that rally people through deceitful rhetorics and appeals to passion with the intent to break the order of that democracy. That order, among other things, contains laws restraining what politicians are and aren't allowed to do. A candidate with clear disregard for these laws is a threat to that order, such that this democracy must protect itself by not allowing them to hold powers they are likely to use irresponsibly.

            Put differently, someone who shows clear contempt for democratic rules is no longer entitled to democratic rights either. Not the distinction: democratic rights doesn't mean human rights.

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              And what if the majority of the people want to be ruled by someone who broke a law? Isnt their right to choose?

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              Sure, but then they will first have to elect representatives to parliament who will make it legal to become president even if you are corrupt. It is of course not possible to first choose representatives in parliament that make it illegal to become president if you are corrupt and then choose a corrupt president.

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                There are actual laws that Marine LePen broke and the consequence of that is that she now isn't allowed to run, what part of that do you not get? Don't bother answering, it'll be typical Russian bot gibberish and I really don't care

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                Russian, Chinese, or US. They’re all spouting the same garbage these days

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                  And what if the majority of the people want to be ruled by someone who broke a law? Isnt their right to choose?

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                  It's as if you have forgotten that actions have consequences.

                  She broke the law, she could've chosen not to break the law, and she would still be eligible to run. But Marine Le Pen was not really popular. So don't kid yourself there either.

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                    According to organizers of Sunday’s rally, some 5,000 to 8,000 people were expected to attend the event, soberly titled “Save Democracy,”
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                    During his speech, National Rally President Jordan Bardella claimed 10,000 people were present.
                    Yet the Place Vauban, ... was sparsely filled, and the true attendance figure was likely much lower.
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                    But for Laurent Jacobelli, a party spokesperson and parliamentarian, the event’s organization was spurred by “a very strong demand from people to voice their doubts about the judgment” in the Le Pen case.

                    O the very strong demand /s

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                    much like P47 rallies.

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                      “If they do an aerial shot, we're dead”.

                      The aerial shot: https://bsky.app/profile/vilainsyndicaliste.bsky.social/post/3lm5mwa466k23

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                      I’ve seen marching bands bigger than this.

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                        And what if the majority of the people want to be ruled by someone who broke a law? Isnt their right to choose?

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                        Convicted felons should not rule.

                        Or should we just get people out of prison and let them make the rules ?

                        If you want to have a convicted felon as a ruler, go to America.

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                          Thats not an answer

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                          And you didn't ask a question. So what?

                          You are not taking in good faith.

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                            And what if the majority of the people want to be ruled by someone who broke a law? Isnt their right to choose?

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                            Someone who embezzled funds should not be able to be in any position to embezzle even more funds.

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                              "as long as the courts can be trusted."

                              There you go

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                              The party can still be elected. The individual person has been blocked.

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                                Is it a coincidence that europe always bans the favorite candidate? Thats very democracy

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                                The favourite candidate is Macron. Twice! So your innuendo has a false premise.

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                                  Is it a coincidence that europe always bans the favorite candidate? Thats very democracy

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                                  She herself said, that people who embezzle funds or are convicted of fraud should have their passive voting rights stripped. She just didn't think it would hit her

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                                    save it so she can use it to destroy it

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                                      There are actual laws that Marine LePen broke and the consequence of that is that she now isn't allowed to run, what part of that do you not get? Don't bother answering, it'll be typical Russian bot gibberish and I really don't care

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                                      Don't engage with trolls, just block and move on.

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                                        Don't engage with trolls, just block and move on.

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                                        Already done, sometimes I just find it useful to reply once with "the rest of us think you're stupid"

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                                          she tried the imamoglu gambit, unfortunately she isn't actually being held down by a dictator

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