Polish conservative Nawrocki wins presidential vote, electoral commission says
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Sorry, but both candidates aren't good enough for this position. Now we have 15 October Coaltion and Nawrocki. Cannot be worse than it was with this combination.
One candidate was a nazi thug, the other wasn't. I feel.like I repeat myself so many times, but once again:
Nazis always turn up to vote. The left loves to find a reason not to. The Nazis know this and have developed a playback to win. Their plan is simple but highly effective: use a wedge issue to persuade enough left wing to just not turn up.
Also, an election this close.... I'm sorry, but sitting out this one very much means you are happy to have a thug as your president.
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The Left can run on an anti oligarchy platform. So another four years would have helped a lot in building that. If you take the US as an example, Bernie did do pretty well after 8years of Obama. He was stopped by the Centrist establishment, but things have gotten worse since then and the old school Democrats are much less popular.
On the other hand the left refuses to get off its ass unless the right is in charge, so extra time ends up being meaningless. Note that I'm not arguing for accelerationism, but "if we had just another four years..." is half the reason Western democracies are in this mess.
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I myself abstained this time (just voted both). Voting for Nawrocki would be against Poland and voting for Trzaskowski would be against my personal interest as an individual. There wasn't lesser evil this time and nothing would change regardless.
Edit: I want public healthcare — which neither candidates supports. Trzaskowskis party literally proposed to reduce the healthcare budget by 20bln like a month ago
I want marriage equality — which neither candidate supports. Trzaskowski is said to be in favour but he never said it straigh up and he vocally opposes same-sex adoption.
I want affordable housing — which neither candidate supports. Both parties similarly had their housing programmes which caused the market prices to soar and opposed public housing.
I want ecology — both candidates oppose nuclear power and Trzaskowskis party literally cut public forestry budget and increased the deforestation rate
I want the church to shut up and stop stealing public money — Trzaskowskis party, despite being called "anticlerical" gave the 20% increase of the Church Budget in 2025. Their original promise was to reduce it to 0.
I want a reasonable migration policy — both candidates' parties use migrants as scapegoats and support limiting asylum laws.
I want access to abortion — which Nawrocki opposes; Trzaskowski himself supports it, but some of his party and majority of his coalition doesn't and will never vote for it
Both candidates are shit in their own way
The right keeps voting the right and thus making sure the candidates can get more right.
Meanwhile the left abstain, making sure the right is in power.
Gg.
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One candidate was a nazi thug, the other wasn't. I feel.like I repeat myself so many times, but once again:
Nazis always turn up to vote. The left loves to find a reason not to. The Nazis know this and have developed a playback to win. Their plan is simple but highly effective: use a wedge issue to persuade enough left wing to just not turn up.
Also, an election this close.... I'm sorry, but sitting out this one very much means you are happy to have a thug as your president.
Imo you overinterpret this. And no, not happy.
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I myself abstained this time (just voted both). Voting for Nawrocki would be against Poland and voting for Trzaskowski would be against my personal interest as an individual. There wasn't lesser evil this time and nothing would change regardless.
Edit: I want public healthcare — which neither candidates supports. Trzaskowskis party literally proposed to reduce the healthcare budget by 20bln like a month ago
I want marriage equality — which neither candidate supports. Trzaskowski is said to be in favour but he never said it straigh up and he vocally opposes same-sex adoption.
I want affordable housing — which neither candidate supports. Both parties similarly had their housing programmes which caused the market prices to soar and opposed public housing.
I want ecology — both candidates oppose nuclear power and Trzaskowskis party literally cut public forestry budget and increased the deforestation rate
I want the church to shut up and stop stealing public money — Trzaskowskis party, despite being called "anticlerical" gave the 20% increase of the Church Budget in 2025. Their original promise was to reduce it to 0.
I want a reasonable migration policy — both candidates' parties use migrants as scapegoats and support limiting asylum laws.
I want access to abortion — which Nawrocki opposes; Trzaskowski himself supports it, but some of his party and majority of his coalition doesn't and will never vote for it
Both candidates are shit in their own way
if you dont explain your "personal interests", we assume you are just an idiot
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Well, fuck
Poland just never learns.
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Imo you overinterpret this. And no, not happy.
Anyway, my point is that I didn't want to compromise on anything or choose the lesser of two evils. It's either more GDP for health, nuclear power plants, more investment in Poland, and a rational approach to migration, or it doesn't matter who I choose.
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Well, fuck
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Eh, you win some, you lose some, just don't be much worse than Duda and everything'll be ok until the next election, no?
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I myself abstained this time (just voted both). Voting for Nawrocki would be against Poland and voting for Trzaskowski would be against my personal interest as an individual. There wasn't lesser evil this time and nothing would change regardless.
Edit: I want public healthcare — which neither candidates supports. Trzaskowskis party literally proposed to reduce the healthcare budget by 20bln like a month ago
I want marriage equality — which neither candidate supports. Trzaskowski is said to be in favour but he never said it straigh up and he vocally opposes same-sex adoption.
I want affordable housing — which neither candidate supports. Both parties similarly had their housing programmes which caused the market prices to soar and opposed public housing.
I want ecology — both candidates oppose nuclear power and Trzaskowskis party literally cut public forestry budget and increased the deforestation rate
I want the church to shut up and stop stealing public money — Trzaskowskis party, despite being called "anticlerical" gave the 20% increase of the Church Budget in 2025. Their original promise was to reduce it to 0.
I want a reasonable migration policy — both candidates' parties use migrants as scapegoats and support limiting asylum laws.
I want access to abortion — which Nawrocki opposes; Trzaskowski himself supports it, but some of his party and majority of his coalition doesn't and will never vote for it
Both candidates are shit in their own way
Btw calling other people idiots will only create more tension between the two parties, so please try to be a little bit nicer. Thx
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Well, fuck
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Poland just never learns.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Neither does Russia
And in my country, we're expecting a Babiš-Fiala-Babiš PM situation akin to Trump-Biden-Trump in the US because of the post-Covid recession. At least Babiš didn't become president in 2023.
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On the other hand the left refuses to get off its ass unless the right is in charge, so extra time ends up being meaningless. Note that I'm not arguing for accelerationism, but "if we had just another four years..." is half the reason Western democracies are in this mess.
The Left does protest under centrist governments as well. LGBTQ+, climate, anti racism and so forth is run as well and often massive. They even win from time to time, as can be by same sex marriage, new climate laws and so forth.
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Eh, you win some, you lose some, just don't be much worse than Duda and everything'll be ok until the next election, no?
We have far right governments in Poland, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands and some more center right governments in other EU member states. This is very bad for human rights and we should be worried by this trend.
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We have far right governments in Poland, Italy, Sweden, Netherlands and some more center right governments in other EU member states. This is very bad for human rights and we should be worried by this trend.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes, but this guy is not the head of government or and can't veto EU council decisions, like Orban can. He can block decisions of the new government to undo what PiS has done over the years. In fact, given Poland's history of right-wing presidents, it is the closest they've ever come to having a liberal president. :3 staying optimistic while we wait for the green left to get its act together in a pragmatic way (that has something to offer rural and working families over fascist vibes and neoliberal status-quo (looking at you, France))
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How bad is this from an international perspective? Will there be Orban-style EU obstruction? Is he a Putin appeaser?
The immidiate consequences are probably minor.
Yet Poland managed to finally get rid of PiS in government and just two years later they elect another right-wing populist president that will continue the sabotaging and blockading of said government.
So another 2 years of ineffective government (caused by the voters) it is. Probably followed by the narrative of how they really need to get the nationalists back into government as they are the only ones getting anything done (who cares that "anything" mainly means corruption and weakening democracy...).
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Poland just never learns.
They learned in the last Sejm election, but apparently they already forgot what they learned.
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The Left does protest under centrist governments as well. LGBTQ+, climate, anti racism and so forth is run as well and often massive. They even win from time to time, as can be by same sex marriage, new climate laws and so forth.
They even win from time to time, as can be by same sex marriage, new climate laws and so forth.
They win sometimes, but lose a lot. The wins are nice, but this is simply not a sustainable dynamic, as seen from the rise of the far right and climate targets becoming less and less likely to fulfill by the day.
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They even win from time to time, as can be by same sex marriage, new climate laws and so forth.
They win sometimes, but lose a lot. The wins are nice, but this is simply not a sustainable dynamic, as seen from the rise of the far right and climate targets becoming less and less likely to fulfill by the day.
Do you seriously believe centrist want to let the left win? They want to do nothing. However under a right wing government winning just means nothing happens.
The goal of the left should be to be in charge and not the center or the right. So the question should be under whom is it easier to take power. The centrist will leave the electoral system in place, so there is a clear plan. The right wants to create a dictatorship, meaning the way to power can only go through revolution. That however is much much harder and in the meantime things will get worse much more quickly.
So a centrist government is better for the left. Even when the system is broken.
If you want to see that in action, just look at the 2024 French parliament election. Centrist in power and both the left and right won. In the UK the right was in charge and the center won. In the German election with a somewhat center left government the center lost votes, whereas the left and right won.
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Do you seriously believe centrist want to let the left win? They want to do nothing. However under a right wing government winning just means nothing happens.
The goal of the left should be to be in charge and not the center or the right. So the question should be under whom is it easier to take power. The centrist will leave the electoral system in place, so there is a clear plan. The right wants to create a dictatorship, meaning the way to power can only go through revolution. That however is much much harder and in the meantime things will get worse much more quickly.
So a centrist government is better for the left. Even when the system is broken.
If you want to see that in action, just look at the 2024 French parliament election. Centrist in power and both the left and right won. In the UK the right was in charge and the center won. In the German election with a somewhat center left government the center lost votes, whereas the left and right won.
This is all well and good, but here's the thing: You're assuming that the left is a unified bloc of rational actors, which is just not true. A significant fraction of left-leaning activists put the lesser evil in charge and then bow out until the next election—or worse, actively run defense for said lesser evil. Remember when you couldn't criticise Biden (later Harris) for supporting genocide on Lemmy? Well I do, and I can state with 100% certainty that nothing about that was unified or rational. The left does nothing to stop centrists from handing power to the right and then act surprised when the right is in power, as most aptly shown in America's last election.
In the German election with a somewhat center left government the center lost votes, whereas the left and right won.
Die Linke certainly won a bunch of votes, but by far that election was a disaster for the left and a victory for the right. Die Linke winning 25 more seats does not counteract AfD winning 69. If this is what you consider a win then you should look at the numbers again and tell me who is going to end up in charge at this rate.
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Mama Mia!
