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    New trolly problem just hit!

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      New trolly problem just hit!

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      Just brake

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        Just brake

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        trolley problem says there is never any sort of third choice. You have to hit one. Which is why it works so well in political discusisons. Politics becomes not the 'art of the possible', but the art of holding your nose and doing what you are effing told.

        So we are hitting the old lady then, right?

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          trolley problem says there is never any sort of third choice. You have to hit one. Which is why it works so well in political discusisons. Politics becomes not the 'art of the possible', but the art of holding your nose and doing what you are effing told.

          So we are hitting the old lady then, right?

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          It's not about "doing what you are effing told," it's about taking the action that will most likely lead to the least harm. Like, the resurrected corpse of Karl Marx would obviously make for a better president than either the resurrected corpse of Adolf Hitler or the resurrected corpse of George Washington, but if Zombie Hitler is anticipating 75 million votes, Zombie Washington is anticipating 75 million votes, and Zombie Marx is anticipating 2 million votes, you would be a fool to vote Zombie Marx

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            It's not about "doing what you are effing told," it's about taking the action that will most likely lead to the least harm. Like, the resurrected corpse of Karl Marx would obviously make for a better president than either the resurrected corpse of Adolf Hitler or the resurrected corpse of George Washington, but if Zombie Hitler is anticipating 75 million votes, Zombie Washington is anticipating 75 million votes, and Zombie Marx is anticipating 2 million votes, you would be a fool to vote Zombie Marx

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            I think you massively discount the harm caused by allowing any zionist to win. What we need to tell our party leadership -- at all costs-- is if they push a zionist on us they cant win.

            You get what you demand and you encourage what you tolerate. We cant tolerate genocide support within our own party as some sort of political calculation.

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              I think you massively discount the harm caused by allowing any zionist to win. What we need to tell our party leadership -- at all costs-- is if they push a zionist on us they cant win.

              You get what you demand and you encourage what you tolerate. We cant tolerate genocide support within our own party as some sort of political calculation.

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              Again, if 150,000,000 people are voting for a zionist anyway, then voting for the non-zionist doesn't help anyone. The best you can hope for is the slightly less harmful zionist. The only way you can not allow any zionist to win is if you do something really cool that I'm not allowed to recommend

              You must understand that the average american likes Israel, and so any party that stops supporting israel may gain your vote, but they will lose many more

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                Again, if 150,000,000 people are voting for a zionist anyway, then voting for the non-zionist doesn't help anyone. The best you can hope for is the slightly less harmful zionist. The only way you can not allow any zionist to win is if you do something really cool that I'm not allowed to recommend

                You must understand that the average american likes Israel, and so any party that stops supporting israel may gain your vote, but they will lose many more

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                Lessor evilsim is pusdeo-intellecual slop. It's literally how they've consolidated power and pushed the overton window off the right-ward cliff entirley. Especially when that "lessor evil" is only pressing the gas halfway instead of to the floor, but no one is offerring to brake despite the brick wall we're hurlding towards.

                Politicians earning your vote is literally the cornerstone of democracy. Not you fallung into line with your vote. But this lessor evilism cancer has taught them they don't actually have to fight for people or do anything with their power to stay in office, they just need to be a bit better than the other guy. So all they give us is lip-service, while people die in the street, ICE detentions accelerated under Biden, Roe v. Wade was never codified despite being a running promise of multiple presidents, hell they couldn't even legalize weed which would have been an easy win. Just give them money cause the other guy is so bad and "democracy is under attack", never mind their own complaiency to get to this point in the first place with this literal strategy.

                People lile to talk about the frog in the boiling water. The GOP definitely represents cranking the heat up to 11, but the dems don't represent turning the heat down, or better yet off. No they represent keeping the temp where it currently is, or maybe even "compromising" and turning it up just a little. And when shit keeps flip-flopping betqeen the two, you're still just turning the temp to boiling. We need to knock the damn pot off the stove.

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                  Lessor evilsim is pusdeo-intellecual slop. It's literally how they've consolidated power and pushed the overton window off the right-ward cliff entirley. Especially when that "lessor evil" is only pressing the gas halfway instead of to the floor, but no one is offerring to brake despite the brick wall we're hurlding towards.

                  Politicians earning your vote is literally the cornerstone of democracy. Not you fallung into line with your vote. But this lessor evilism cancer has taught them they don't actually have to fight for people or do anything with their power to stay in office, they just need to be a bit better than the other guy. So all they give us is lip-service, while people die in the street, ICE detentions accelerated under Biden, Roe v. Wade was never codified despite being a running promise of multiple presidents, hell they couldn't even legalize weed which would have been an easy win. Just give them money cause the other guy is so bad and "democracy is under attack", never mind their own complaiency to get to this point in the first place with this literal strategy.

                  People lile to talk about the frog in the boiling water. The GOP definitely represents cranking the heat up to 11, but the dems don't represent turning the heat down, or better yet off. No they represent keeping the temp where it currently is, or maybe even "compromising" and turning it up just a little. And when shit keeps flip-flopping betqeen the two, you're still just turning the temp to boiling. We need to knock the damn pot off the stove.

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                  Yeah you're right it's a good thing Trump won actually

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