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Why Won't the Media Mention Israel's Nukes?

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  • L [email protected]

    Forced by who? The Republican Congress would likely say Iran deserved it, and even if they didn't Trump would dismantle any group the executive branch is supposed to use to enforce them as he was pushing for with Russia .

    Their biggest trading partner is China .. not sure what they would do

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    It has nothing to do with a 'republican' congress.

    Democrats wouldn't stand up to Israel either and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

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      Why won't the mainstream media of the Western bloc, a well known propaganda apparatus that will always spin things in favour of capitalists and Western imperialism, mention Israel's (a Western colonial project) nukes? Gee, I wonder why. 🤔😅

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        Because then the US any every other IAEA signatory would be obligated to sanction Israel which would be the end of Israel's economy.

        No news media dares mention it because they have no proof and would both loose any insider access and get buried in libel cases.

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        I think the West has already demonstrated that they're perfectly happy to just ignore obligations like that, as evidenced by them all refusing to inforce the arrest warrant against Netanyahu.

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          Why won't the mainstream media of the Western bloc, a well known propaganda apparatus that will always spin things in favour of capitalists and Western imperialism, mention Israel's (a Western colonial project) nukes? Gee, I wonder why. 🤔😅

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          Everyone would rather circle around the answer

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            Everyone would rather circle around the answer

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            Only mainstream Western media and those who consume it without question... which I guess is a lot of people, NGL.

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              MSM has talked about Israel's nukes. Can't remember which channel it was, but yesterday they were doing a comparison between Israel's and Iran's offense & defense capabilities.

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                because they’re trying to manufacture consent for a war with Iran

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                  MSM has talked about Israel's nukes. Can't remember which channel it was, but yesterday they were doing a comparison between Israel's and Iran's offense & defense capabilities.

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                  What’s MSM?
                  MSN?

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                    What’s MSM?
                    MSN?

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                    mainstream media?

                    e.g. all of them

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                      mainstream media?

                      e.g. all of them

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                      Gotcha, thx.

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                        What’s MSM?
                        MSN?

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                        Found it. Looks like SkyNews was reporting it.

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                          Interesting read about the topic

                          https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-nuclear-weapons/.

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                          Not just an interesting read: also a good example of the media mentioning Israel’s nukes, like OP seems to think they never do.

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                            We should welcome an Iranian bomb. Honestly, it's what the Middle East really needs to bring it to stability.

                            The biggest destabilizing force in the Middle East is Israel. They're a destabilizing force because they're an expansionist nuclear-armed power with no hard borders. Their borders aren't actually fixed; they're in a decades-long process to slowly expand them. For those who forget, Israel's MO is to:

                            1. Destabilize border regions of neighboring countries and foster the creation of militant groups within them.
                            2. Use those destabilized regions as justification for military occupation of the territory of neighboring countries.
                            3. Announce the creation of border "buffer zones."
                            4. Allow their civilians to move into what is supposed to be a DMZ-like buffer zone.
                            5. Again have civilians in the line of fire of militants, demanding further border expansion.

                            Israel has been expanding like this for decades, and there's no end in site. Their immediate neighbors are all to weak and destabilized to resist this process of slow Israeli lebensraum. The people in the Middle East are rightly afraid that they'll be next under the Israeli boot, and they'll find themselves reduced to the plight of the Gazans.

                            Israel is out of control. It's an expansionist military power hellbent on gobbling up its neighbors. The reason they're able to get away with this is because they have nuclear weapons. No Arab nation can invade them without the threat of being nuked in return. Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to conquer its neighbors.

                            Another nuclear power is desperately needed in the region to hold them in check. A nuclear Iran would serve this role well. They wouldn't be able to wipe Israel off the map, as that would result in them getting nuked in return. What a nuclear-armed Iran can do is to finally put a check on Israel's endless military expansion. We need powers that can stand up to the Israelis as equals and say, "no. Your borders are fucking big enough. You're not taking one more square meter of land."

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                              Forced by who? The Republican Congress would likely say Iran deserved it, and even if they didn't Trump would dismantle any group the executive branch is supposed to use to enforce them as he was pushing for with Russia .

                              Their biggest trading partner is China .. not sure what they would do

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                              I'm talking about the present, where everyone knows Israel has nukes but not officially. Not some future scenario where Israel nukes Iran.

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                                I think the West has already demonstrated that they're perfectly happy to just ignore obligations like that, as evidenced by them all refusing to inforce the arrest warrant against Netanyahu.

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                                They're already ignoring it. They just don't want to admit their ignoring it.

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                                  There are other countries too that unofficially have nukes

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing

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                                    I'm talking about the present, where everyone knows Israel has nukes but not officially. Not some future scenario where Israel nukes Iran.

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                                    Why would you think they would need to be sanctioned for not using them? China and India both have nuclear weapons and have small skirmishes (granted not as big as this) and we don't discuss sanctioning both of them for it. I would think threatening to use or using them would be the only scenarios where sanctions would be "forced hand" for lack of a better term.

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                                      Iran needs nukes to defend itself from a nuclear armed aggressor. Everyone needs nukes for that reason. Greenland needs nukes to protect itself from the US.

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                                        Why would you think they would need to be sanctioned for not using them? China and India both have nuclear weapons and have small skirmishes (granted not as big as this) and we don't discuss sanctioning both of them for it. I would think threatening to use or using them would be the only scenarios where sanctions would be "forced hand" for lack of a better term.

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                                        China and India both have nuclear weapons and have small skirmishes (granted not as big as this) and we don’t discuss sanctioning both of them for it.

                                        nor india and pakistan. that's the conflict I worry about more.

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                                          China and India both have nuclear weapons and have small skirmishes (granted not as big as this) and we don’t discuss sanctioning both of them for it.

                                          nor india and pakistan. that's the conflict I worry about more.

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                                          I saw elsewhere that Pakistan stated they would be attacking Israel back with nukes if Israel used them against Iran. Which is why I assume it's a given they won't be used and we won't have to worry about them coming into play

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