So um, the united states just started another war in the middle east. We're going to need a shit ton more memes to distract americans from the nightmare they are enduring. Thanks in advance...
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That theory works great in hindsight, but before the election the orange turd was promising to stop wars, not start them.
Sure we all know he's a liar now, but before the election, going on their campaigns, how could anyone be sure which track would actually have more bodies in the future in that Trolley Problem.
You can't predict the future, so that's like presenting the Trolley Problem as if the switch is 10 miles before the tracks split.
Uh, dude's been a known liar for decades. He made himself known well before 2016, even more so for the next 4 years. We all said this was going to happen, no one else is surprised. You were warned.
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Yes, it's definitely our fault they rigged the election.
So? What does it change?
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It’s also hard to leave. Many of us would leave if we had the means. Even for those who wish to stay and fight the blossoming authoritarianism must wage a nearly hopeless battle against powerful disinformation machines.
Exactly. You know how many countries US trans people can get asylum in? Zero. None. Zilch. There is not a country on Earth where a trans person in the US could qualify for asylum, even considering the vast rollback of trans rights currently underway. And if a member of a targeted minority group can't get asylum status, then forget about nearly anyone else.
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Yeah, no offense, but nobody cares about how you cope or whether you leave. This isn't about you.
We're all pretty ok with you guys stewing in your own fascist soup. You made that bed. The concerning part is how it's affecting everybody else. If this was entirely a you problem I would be much less worried.
This isn't a US problem, and your nation is just as vulnerable to this.
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Has it ever crossed anyone's mind, that those of that didn't vote, was usually because we didn't approve of either candidate?
Christ, do they not teach the trolley problem anymore?
"Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that I didn't want the 5 guys on the main track or the 1 guy on the side track to die?"
Duh. That's the point. You act and feel guilty about a small bad thing, or do nothing and feel guilty about a big bad thing. We got the big bad ending, feel guilty.
Christ, do they not teach the trolley problem anymore?
It's honestly quite funny and downright sad that you would quote the trolley problem. There's a reason it's brought up in ethics courses. The whole point of the trolley problem is that there is no correct solution to it. Different ethical systems arrive at different conclusions. But here you are, going, "fuck how it's actually used, I've decided the trolley problem proves that utilitarian ethics is the correct answer!"
In a utilitarian ethics framework, you would choose to run over the 1 guy or choose to vote for Kamala. In a respect for persons ethical framework, you would take no action and would refuse to vote for either Kamala or Trump.
You've completely failed to learn the core lesson of the trolley problem.
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What about his first term would convince you Trump wasn't a liar?
Fuck homie I dunno, I didn't have television through his first term.
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Uh, dude's been a known liar for decades. He made himself known well before 2016, even more so for the next 4 years. We all said this was going to happen, no one else is surprised. You were warned.
Fuck homie I dunno, I didn't have television through his first term.
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"I didn't like either, so I did nothing" is such a bullshit excuse...
Like it or not, we have a two party system and this was the worst possible time for anyone to decide to do nothing. Non-voters are just as complicit in what's going on now because they chose to do fuck all when it actually mattered... I hope the righteous objection through inaction was worth it, because people are dying as a result now.
The problem with this line of thinking is that it encourages short-term rather than long-term thinking.
From a purely utilitarian perspective, the absolute good to the absolute greatest number of people - we would have been better off if Trump won in 2020. He would have had another lame duck term in a continuation of an administration where he had a lot of restraining voices in his cabinet. He wouldn't have had the four years to regroup and come back with an entirely different organizational structure.
A Biden win in 2020 guaranteed a Trump win in 2024. It was eminently predictable and it was widely predicted. Biden wasn't going to do anything to address the actual causes for Trump winning. Biden was only ever going to be a temporary speed bump to fascism. He simply lacked the character to properly confront a fascist movement. He's not morally capable of it.
Even if you stick to a purely utilitarian framework, even if you believe that harm minimization is all that mattes, sometimes voting for the lesser of two evils is the option that's going to get more people killed.
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Not voting was tacitly supporting Trump.
wrote last edited by [email protected]A good chunk of Kamala's platform was also tacitly supporting Trump.
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Fuck homie I dunno, I didn't have television through his first term.
I don't watch TV either. Did you have Internet?
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Sooo.. I've never had a chance to see the inside of a voting facility. Not for lack of trying though.
Is that what happened in 2024 as well?
Nope, I was in a different state that day, unscheduled trip.
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Yes, it's definitely our fault they rigged the election.
Your elections are rigged since 1812
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Fuck homie I dunno, I didn't have television through his first term.
Is online, found Lemmy, popping off as though informed, but only outlet for information is the damned tele. Weak excuse is weak.
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I don't watch TV either. Did you have Internet?
Nope. I was effectively completely off grid from 2016 to 2019.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a video that Trump called him after the strikes: “It was a very warm conversation, very emotional.”
Speaking in Hebrew, he called Trump a friend of Israel like no one before him.https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-war-updates#00000197-9582-d77f-a797-ffaf39a20000
Thanks guys, real glad we didn't vote for that evil fascist Harris and paved the way for Mr. No New Wars...
Has Kamala come out yet to denounce a single one of Trump's Israel policies? Unlike a lot of other Democratic lawmakers, she has yet to publicly condemn the strike on Iran. From what evidence we can actually observe, it seems she supports the current strike. Or at least she doesn't oppose it. There's little reason to think she wouldn't have ordered the exact same type of strike Trump just did. She would spin it as "being the tough cop on the international scene."
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Is online, found Lemmy, popping off as though informed, but only outlet for information is the damned tele. Weak excuse is weak.
I didn't have TV from 2016 to 2019.
I didn't have Internet from 2016 to 2021.
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Christ, do they not teach the trolley problem anymore?
It's honestly quite funny and downright sad that you would quote the trolley problem. There's a reason it's brought up in ethics courses. The whole point of the trolley problem is that there is no correct solution to it. Different ethical systems arrive at different conclusions. But here you are, going, "fuck how it's actually used, I've decided the trolley problem proves that utilitarian ethics is the correct answer!"
In a utilitarian ethics framework, you would choose to run over the 1 guy or choose to vote for Kamala. In a respect for persons ethical framework, you would take no action and would refuse to vote for either Kamala or Trump.
You've completely failed to learn the core lesson of the trolley problem.
wrote last edited by [email protected]What are you talking about? In any ethical framework, the trolley problem presents you with the conflicting guilts of action and inaction. The ethical frameworks don't do anything but justify whichever guilt you choose.
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Sounds like some young people who haven't been through this before. This is not going to lead to a war. The USA has been bombing other countries continuously for decades.
There are different levels of bombing. This wasn't the US assassinating a single general. This was a strike on strategic assets comparable to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. We just did a Pearl Harbor against Iran.
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Nope. I was effectively completely off grid from 2016 to 2019.
Then you had 5 years to witness the fallout from 2019 to 2024.
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I didn't have TV from 2016 to 2019.
I didn't have Internet from 2016 to 2021.
wrote last edited by [email protected]OK, so you're ignorant. That's fine. Catch tf up before popping off.
