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Who's more influential to you and why? Che Guevara, Ted Kaczynski, Luigi?

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    Innocent until proven guilty.

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    Like the ICE agents?

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      Like the ICE agents?

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      yes. because our country was built on laws.

      personal opinion has no room in the jurisprudence of the law. if laws were broken then then a guilty party must be held culpable.

      in a perfect world Bryan Thompson would have been charged and tried for his crimes. unfortunately someone took the law into their own hands because they (rightfully) felt the law was inadequately responding to blatant corruption.

      Bryan would be alive today had the laws been enforced as designed.

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      • venusaur@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

        What do you think it would take to be a revolutionary in the US today and is anybody on their way there?

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        Honestly I am not focused on revolution within the US at the moment. Before that is possible we will need revolutions in the imperial periphery that make our empire weak enough to tackle. I have not the slightest clue what it would take to be a revolutionary in the sense that Che was within the US and I don't think its up to individuals to figure that out. Leaving it to the individual is begging for adventurism. Hell, Che would say America is not ready for an urban Guerrila movement yet anyway. He'd say too many people still trust the electoral system and he'd be damn right. America does not yet have a revolutionary vanguard party so I wouldn't say anyone is close to being revolutionaries yet. PSL shows promise but they are limited by essentially just being a protest org right now. They also do some education and work with some labor unions but it isn't all there imo.

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        • privatenoob@sopuli.xyzP [email protected]

          Despite hearing Che Guevera's name sometimes, I've never known anything about them. These seem really cool, it's worthy for a good history podcast about his acts.

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          https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/6564783-we-executed-many-people-by-ring-squad-without-knowing-if

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            https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/6564783-we-executed-many-people-by-ring-squad-without-knowing-if

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            Oof, although it doesn't seem too surprising.

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            • venusaur@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

              Like the ICE agents?

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              Like I said. Innocent until proven guilty.

              I doubt you can make a convincing argument against the presumption of innocence as it underpins the best legal systems in the world but give it a shot if you want.

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                Despite hearing Che Guevera's name sometimes, I've never known anything about them. These seem really cool, it's worthy for a good history podcast about his acts.

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                Don't get too wrapped up in the mythology. He was a human being, and he was complicated. There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of che guevera. Probably most notable are his racism, homophobia, and cruelty towards his perceived enemies

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                • G [email protected]

                  yes. because our country was built on laws.

                  personal opinion has no room in the jurisprudence of the law. if laws were broken then then a guilty party must be held culpable.

                  in a perfect world Bryan Thompson would have been charged and tried for his crimes. unfortunately someone took the law into their own hands because they (rightfully) felt the law was inadequately responding to blatant corruption.

                  Bryan would be alive today had the laws been enforced as designed.

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                  Idk what you're getting at, but everything Brian Thompson did was legal. The insurance companies lobbied to make sure it was legal.

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                    Pretty sure only one of these has his picture on posters and t-shirts owned by teenagers all over the world. But maybe Luigi will get there some day.

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                    Yeah but those teenagers are buying those shirts at Walmart, so who really won? If I was a left wing revolutionary I wouldn't want my legacy to be mass produced disposable commoditized virtue signals that make the rich richer

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                    • venusaur@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

                      Not criticizing, but do you actually believe Luigi is innocent? Meaning he didn’t kill somebody or something else?

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                        Idk what you're getting at, but everything Brian Thompson did was legal. The insurance companies lobbied to make sure it was legal.

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                        is that why UHC is currently under investigation by the justice department for fraudulent transactions that amount to around $80 billion per year?

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                          None of them really accomplished what they set out to do, in terms or societal change.

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                            Kaczynski

                            https://dark-mountain.net/ted-kaczynski-and-why-he-matters/

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                              None of them really accomplished what they set out to do, in terms or societal change.

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                              Fair but they seem to still be influential to people of today. Lots of Luigi fans.

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                                Like I said. Innocent until proven guilty.

                                I doubt you can make a convincing argument against the presumption of innocence as it underpins the best legal systems in the world but give it a shot if you want.

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                                Just seeing if you feel the same across the board. You support the innocence of Luigi and ICE agents until proven guilty. All ICE agents are innocent right now regardless of what they are seen doing.

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                                  yes. because our country was built on laws.

                                  personal opinion has no room in the jurisprudence of the law. if laws were broken then then a guilty party must be held culpable.

                                  in a perfect world Bryan Thompson would have been charged and tried for his crimes. unfortunately someone took the law into their own hands because they (rightfully) felt the law was inadequately responding to blatant corruption.

                                  Bryan would be alive today had the laws been enforced as designed.

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                                  Just wanted to check if it was being applied fairly across all people.

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                                    Honestly I am not focused on revolution within the US at the moment. Before that is possible we will need revolutions in the imperial periphery that make our empire weak enough to tackle. I have not the slightest clue what it would take to be a revolutionary in the sense that Che was within the US and I don't think its up to individuals to figure that out. Leaving it to the individual is begging for adventurism. Hell, Che would say America is not ready for an urban Guerrila movement yet anyway. He'd say too many people still trust the electoral system and he'd be damn right. America does not yet have a revolutionary vanguard party so I wouldn't say anyone is close to being revolutionaries yet. PSL shows promise but they are limited by essentially just being a protest org right now. They also do some education and work with some labor unions but it isn't all there imo.

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                                    Yeah most of the US is totally bought into the two party system. The government would have to really fuck everybody in order for people to band together to revolt.

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                                      Just seeing if you feel the same across the board. You support the innocence of Luigi and ICE agents until proven guilty. All ICE agents are innocent right now regardless of what they are seen doing.

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                                      You seem very fixated on ICE as a talking point.

                                      I don’t particularly care what ICE agents are doing as I’m not from the USA and have no desire to go there.

                                      You seem to think innocent until proven guilty is some sort of belief in factual innocence, which it isn’t. It’s the withholding of judgment until due process is performed.

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                                        You seem very fixated on ICE as a talking point.

                                        I don’t particularly care what ICE agents are doing as I’m not from the USA and have no desire to go there.

                                        You seem to think innocent until proven guilty is some sort of belief in factual innocence, which it isn’t. It’s the withholding of judgment until due process is performed.

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                                        I’m just making sure it’s applied equally for everybody. Luigi is innocent. ICE agents are innocent. Rapists in your country caught on video raping somebody but have yet to stand trial are innocent. Just clarifying that you would say the same thing about everybody who has not been convicted of something yet.

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                                        • venusaur@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

                                          I’m just making sure it’s applied equally for everybody. Luigi is innocent. ICE agents are innocent. Rapists in your country caught on video raping somebody but have yet to stand trial are innocent. Just clarifying that you would say the same thing about everybody who has not been convicted of something yet.

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                                          Yes because that’s how it works legally.

                                          You seem to have some issue comprehending this.

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