Poll: Which abandoned Android phone features do you miss the most?
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thinner phone requires a smaller battery. Smaller battery is smaller capacity.
That's silly. They removed the ability, they didn't give people a choice. No one was asking, no one chose this.
Noone asked for phones to copy the iphone... yet here we are.
Did you know that in the U.S. Texas makes all of our school textbooks worse because it's easier just to print the stupid textbooks than print separate ones for just Texas because Texas is such a big market. This is not a conspiracy theory, you can look it up if you are interested.
So close to getting it... smh
You can buy small trucks in America. What are you talking about?
You can? Show one new model that is the same size of a 1990 ford ranger.
wrote last edited by [email protected]thinner phone requires a smaller battery. Smaller battery is smaller capacity.
Yes, smaller batteries of the same type generally have lower capacity. Very good. That's not what we were talking about though is it? YOU said that having a non-replaceable battery allowed them to make phones thinner. That is what they had the ability to do for the decade that they were still making phones with replaceable batteries.
Noone asked for phones to copy the iphone
Peter Noone, from Hermans Hermits? Fun trivia. You know who else asked for it, everyone else.
So close to getting it…
Oh, you think you are close to getting it? Well maybe I can help you the rest of the way. If School Text Book manufacturers who were forced to come up with a dumber version of their product to fit the requirements of one large market found it was cheaper just to sell everyone the dumb version instead of making two different versions, it follows that Phone Manufacturers would likewise find it cheaper to sell the dumber version of phones to everyone if one large market required them to make phones dumber. Do you get it now? I can try to dumb it down even more for you if you need me to.
Show one new model that is the same size of a 1990 ford ranger.
The still sell Ford Rangers I'm pretty sure. I'm going to let you do your own Truck shopping.
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This is more or less how oled works iirc
It's how it can work, which doesn't necessarily mean the firmware is set up to use it that way.
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It's in a bundle with the other actually useful features like upgradeable storage or wired headphones, in my book.
I agree that I'd like more innovation and variety. Every single phone out there it's just some variation on the exact same thing these days. Ideally you'd have a choice of any combo of those features to fit your preference, but that's just not a thing now.
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Black Slab! Its better than the otherBlack Slabbecause ofartificial software limitations!"For what it's worth - that principle is part of why I root my devices. But damn I do miss the neat various hardware features that each brand had.
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Open bootloaders, ir blaster, 3.5mm jack, sd card slot, replaceable batteries. The list goes on.
I was pleasantly surprised when my OnePlus 13 had an IR blaster.
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thinner phone requires a smaller battery. Smaller battery is smaller capacity.
Yes, smaller batteries of the same type generally have lower capacity. Very good. That's not what we were talking about though is it? YOU said that having a non-replaceable battery allowed them to make phones thinner. That is what they had the ability to do for the decade that they were still making phones with replaceable batteries.
Noone asked for phones to copy the iphone
Peter Noone, from Hermans Hermits? Fun trivia. You know who else asked for it, everyone else.
So close to getting it…
Oh, you think you are close to getting it? Well maybe I can help you the rest of the way. If School Text Book manufacturers who were forced to come up with a dumber version of their product to fit the requirements of one large market found it was cheaper just to sell everyone the dumb version instead of making two different versions, it follows that Phone Manufacturers would likewise find it cheaper to sell the dumber version of phones to everyone if one large market required them to make phones dumber. Do you get it now? I can try to dumb it down even more for you if you need me to.
Show one new model that is the same size of a 1990 ford ranger.
The still sell Ford Rangers I'm pretty sure. I'm going to let you do your own Truck shopping.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I said smaller battery and connecters allowed for thinner phones.
And mass production is cheaper than low production. So if all phones are designed the same, then the factories can be tooled all the same accross all models.
People actually did like the form factor and function of iPhones, false equivalency much?
So why are you confused manufacturers are copying Apple?
I'm not going to do your Truck shopping for you. If you can't figure that out on your own, ask your parents.
But you said they exist... it should be easy. Unless... you were talking out of your ass again.
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Blackberry Priv form factor:
The keypad doubled kinda like a touch pad as well. I could use keyboard shortcuts, typed way faster tha touch. All that without compramising screen space.
If that phone didn't have a first-gen 64-bit chipset that sucked power for lunch, I'd probably still be using it to this day. It was peak convergence, and even had a headphone jack, and an amazing camera. Only way it could've been perfect would be a user-serviceable battery.
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I said smaller battery and connecters allowed for thinner phones.
And mass production is cheaper than low production. So if all phones are designed the same, then the factories can be tooled all the same accross all models.
People actually did like the form factor and function of iPhones, false equivalency much?
So why are you confused manufacturers are copying Apple?
I'm not going to do your Truck shopping for you. If you can't figure that out on your own, ask your parents.
But you said they exist... it should be easy. Unless... you were talking out of your ass again.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I said smaller battery and connecters allowed for thinner phones.
Just making the batteries non replaceable makes them able to be thinner, and they always had that ability. They also had the ability to put in smaller batteries if everyone was clamoring for super thin phones. They just weren't.
And mass production is cheaper than low production.
True
So if all phones are designed the same, then the factories can be tooled all the same accross all models.
Uh, no. That would only be true if all models of phone from the same factory were made exactly the same way with the exact same machines. That's not the case. They make different models of phone. They could easily make one model with a user replaceable battery and a different model without one.
But you said they exist… it should be easy. Unless… you were talking out of your ass again.
They do exist, and it was super easy. They still make Ford Rangers. Try google, it's the first thing that pops up when you type in New Ford Ranger. I guess you were talking out your ass again.
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Definitely the jack. I have special headphones for listening to white noise while sleeping. The Bluetooth version have a chunky panel, and don't last long before they get that Bluetooth whine. That whine is a deal-breaker is a sleep aid.
So I use the 3.5mm version.... if I use the charge port converted to a Jack, I can't charge my phone while I listen to white noise and I'll wake up to 6%. Rhe loss or the jack is why I haven't upgraded my phone in years.
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I said smaller battery and connecters allowed for thinner phones.
Just making the batteries non replaceable makes them able to be thinner, and they always had that ability. They also had the ability to put in smaller batteries if everyone was clamoring for super thin phones. They just weren't.
And mass production is cheaper than low production.
True
So if all phones are designed the same, then the factories can be tooled all the same accross all models.
Uh, no. That would only be true if all models of phone from the same factory were made exactly the same way with the exact same machines. That's not the case. They make different models of phone. They could easily make one model with a user replaceable battery and a different model without one.
But you said they exist… it should be easy. Unless… you were talking out of your ass again.
They do exist, and it was super easy. They still make Ford Rangers. Try google, it's the first thing that pops up when you type in New Ford Ranger. I guess you were talking out your ass again.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The new ranger is just a tiny bit smaller than the f150 It absolutely is not the same or even close to the size of ranger 20 years ago.
The closest in size "truck" to the old ranger is the maverick... but thats a unibody UTE, hardly comparable.
Uh, no. That would only be true if all models of phone from the same factory were made exactly the same way with the exact same machines. That's not the case. They make different models of phone. They could easily make one model with a user replaceable battery and a different model without one.
Sure... if there was enough demand for replaceable batteries... but there is not. Basically the vast market is content with the cheaper option.
That's a BINGO! So if that's true, then they absolutely had the ability to do that for the first decade of smart phones.
Again... smaller battery smaller capacity... a battery of the same physical size 15 years ago was much less enegry dense.
Its ok. You can be wrong. Just learn from the experience.
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Doesn't it activate when it's in your pants and you are moving about in a rough manner?
Holding the power button when the screen is off works pretty great and won't ever activate on accident. It is also a default Android feature I believe.
No, it has never happened to me. I think the software somehow detected when the phone was in a hand. But when I ran while holding the phone, it sometimes turned on.
Holding the power button when the screen is off works pretty great and won’t ever activate on accident. It is also a default Android feature I believe.
It seems okay.
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The new ranger is just a tiny bit smaller than the f150 It absolutely is not the same or even close to the size of ranger 20 years ago.
The closest in size "truck" to the old ranger is the maverick... but thats a unibody UTE, hardly comparable.
Uh, no. That would only be true if all models of phone from the same factory were made exactly the same way with the exact same machines. That's not the case. They make different models of phone. They could easily make one model with a user replaceable battery and a different model without one.
Sure... if there was enough demand for replaceable batteries... but there is not. Basically the vast market is content with the cheaper option.
That's a BINGO! So if that's true, then they absolutely had the ability to do that for the first decade of smart phones.
Again... smaller battery smaller capacity... a battery of the same physical size 15 years ago was much less enegry dense.
Its ok. You can be wrong. Just learn from the experience.
The new ranger is just a tiny bit smaller than the f150 It absolutely is not the same or even close to the size of ranger 20 years ago.
You said you couldn't buy a small truck, not that you couldn't buy a truck the same size as 20 years ago.
Sure… if there was enough demand for replaceable batteries… but there is not. Basically the vast market is content with the cheaper option.
There was a demand, we weren't given a choice. I'm not sure how this so hard for you to grasp.
Again… smaller battery smaller capacity…
Again...Just making the batteries non replaceable makes them able to be thinner, and they always had that ability. They also had the ability to put in smaller batteries if everyone was clamoring for super thin phones. They just weren’t.
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I miss just being able to take it out and have no phone for however long I want. Didn't drain the battery, didn't worry about the phone.
It does compromise the waterproofing to open and close phones, even cases. But fuck you, let me make my own mistakes, your job is to engineer things to be better and fit my needs, not just give up and charge more and strip features and invade my privacy and spy on me with psyops and try to control my life. I'm a customer, not a user.
I miss just being able to take it out and have no phone for however long I want.
That's the most telling thing about phones today, right? I have some older flip phones from 15 or so years ago. Removable battery, but even with the battery inserted for 8 years, I could turn one on right now and it would have whatever current state of charge is in the battery, only losing power from physics.
It's obviously possible, as Samsung keeps making these XCover phones with a removable battery and a waterproof rating of IPX8 (SCUBA): https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=7301
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The new ranger is just a tiny bit smaller than the f150 It absolutely is not the same or even close to the size of ranger 20 years ago.
You said you couldn't buy a small truck, not that you couldn't buy a truck the same size as 20 years ago.
Sure… if there was enough demand for replaceable batteries… but there is not. Basically the vast market is content with the cheaper option.
There was a demand, we weren't given a choice. I'm not sure how this so hard for you to grasp.
Again… smaller battery smaller capacity…
Again...Just making the batteries non replaceable makes them able to be thinner, and they always had that ability. They also had the ability to put in smaller batteries if everyone was clamoring for super thin phones. They just weren’t.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You said you couldn't buy a small truck, not that you couldn't buy a truck the same size as 20 years ago.
A. I clarified to find me one of the same size as a 1990 model.
B. Isnt this exactly the same argument your making? There is huge demand for small trucks, the ranger was a top seller when it was discontinued. And when it was brought back, its a slightly smaller version of the f150, and nothing what people want.
They also had the ability to put in smaller batteries if everyone was clamoring for super thin phones. They just weren’t.
You really are that dense. The battery tech was not there to allow thinner phones without compromising capacity. The strongest market desirablity is battery life. But people also want smaller phones. Hell, futurama made this joke in 2001
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You said you couldn't buy a small truck, not that you couldn't buy a truck the same size as 20 years ago.
A. I clarified to find me one of the same size as a 1990 model.
B. Isnt this exactly the same argument your making? There is huge demand for small trucks, the ranger was a top seller when it was discontinued. And when it was brought back, its a slightly smaller version of the f150, and nothing what people want.
They also had the ability to put in smaller batteries if everyone was clamoring for super thin phones. They just weren’t.
You really are that dense. The battery tech was not there to allow thinner phones without compromising capacity. The strongest market desirablity is battery life. But people also want smaller phones. Hell, futurama made this joke in 2001
wrote last edited by [email protected]A. I clarified to find me one of the same size as a 1990 model.
Good for you.
B. Isnt this exactly the same argument your making?
No, you don't carry Ford Rangers around in your pocket all the time making them easy vectors to spy on people.
The bagtery tech was not there to allow thinner phones without comprismising capacity.
And if people really gave a fuck about thinner phones they would have accepted smaller "bagtery's" to get them. Clearly capacity was more important.
So I guess people weren't chomping at the bit to get thinner phones now were they?But people also want smaller phones.
Phones have been getting bigger not smaller.
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You know its a really easy to prove against, right? Just have some basic radio spectrograph to detect any signals coming from a turned off phone.
In reality, the correlation is phones continue to get thinner, making it near impossible to create a battery and battery connector small enough and still be resistant to a 200lb ape handling it.
That actually isn't a way to prove anything, unfortunately.
A powered off or "powered off" phone wouldn't need to transmit anything. It would be just waking one of the receivers periodically (or even the NFC could be hit by some radio energy as a trigger) to listen for the "secret" activation code. Listening for radio energy doesn't generate any.
If the phone was "powered off" - tracing power draw between battery/phone would probably show something, but likely, the phone's power draw while off is always constant if this were the case and it isn't a new state the phone goes into.
Even if the phone was being used as an offline bug, the user would still not know because it can record audio/whatever and store it internally without ever transmitting. It'd likely be rigged up to just transmit the next time the user "turns it on" - so they'd be unaware, as the transmission would look like normal traffic.
The only case where it would be traceable from a radio perspective is if it were being used as an online bug, which means it would already have to have been put in the online bug state, which means someone has a reason to monitor you.
I mean shoot, if one really wants to go full tinfoil hat, recording audio to temporary storage at voice quality could go on for days with a phone "powered off" - periodically dumped to somewhere in flash. Hours of conversation could be fit in megabytes. The phone could just always be recording while turned off for every user, and when turned back on, that audio file is sent through the ML processor to convert to text, and then compress the text, further reducing the size. That data could be transmitted during normal usage as voice or compressed data, or just stored in the phone as compressed data for years.
Every phone could be doing this right now, and could have been doing this for a decade, although on-device text transcription is a relatively new feature.
Then, let us go next level: phone recycling/exchange processes also harvest IMEI+that compressed data before being shipped off for resale in the event it was never transmitted. Finally, we know why the NSA has the Utah data center.
I keep asking them to send me copies of recordings of old phone calls, but they never humor me.
DISCLAIMER: This is all non-serious but based on what is technically possible right now.
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Definitely the jack. I have special headphones for listening to white noise while sleeping. The Bluetooth version have a chunky panel, and don't last long before they get that Bluetooth whine. That whine is a deal-breaker is a sleep aid.
So I use the 3.5mm version.... if I use the charge port converted to a Jack, I can't charge my phone while I listen to white noise and I'll wake up to 6%. Rhe loss or the jack is why I haven't upgraded my phone in years.
You can get split cables that have jack and a USB C. But yes it sucks.
Although.. One silver lining I've found from being forced to convert the USB to 3.5 is that I now get to pick and chose different dac cables, and there are some pretty big differences.
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F(x)Tec Pro^1^ X
Super-weird formatting aside, that looks pretty interesting. Out of stock though.
The formatting most likely didn't help with people being able to google it, or to remember the name even.
It's quite old now and has been out of stock for a long time.
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A. I clarified to find me one of the same size as a 1990 model.
Good for you.
B. Isnt this exactly the same argument your making?
No, you don't carry Ford Rangers around in your pocket all the time making them easy vectors to spy on people.
The bagtery tech was not there to allow thinner phones without comprismising capacity.
And if people really gave a fuck about thinner phones they would have accepted smaller "bagtery's" to get them. Clearly capacity was more important.
So I guess people weren't chomping at the bit to get thinner phones now were they?But people also want smaller phones.
Phones have been getting bigger not smaller.
Phones have been getting bigger not smaller.
To... wait for it... accommodate larger screens. Shocking i know. You know exactly what i meant by smaller.
No, you don't carry Ford Rangers around in your pocket all the time making them easy vectors to spy on people
Riddle me this. Why would you carry a phone....without a battery?
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The formatting most likely didn't help with people being able to google it, or to remember the name even.
It's quite old now and has been out of stock for a long time.
Yeah, I just noticed that it was released in 2023. Not necessarily a bad thing, really, but damn I'd like one of these devices if not for that form factor on its own. Still has official LOS support, too.
