This discussion reminds me of a party/orgy/something I saw being promoted and in the description it says that it was female/trans oriented (female and male trans included), but that they weren't going to police anyone's gender, but asked cis males to r...
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You see this more in online LGBTQ+ communities, they are all about inclusion, but when a hetero sis male wants to talk about the subject they aren't the biggest fan of it. Even though we all got to live together?
As long as they don't discriminate, it's fine, but still ironic.Edit: changed my wording to be clearer about what I mean.
Might want to look into why that is...
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Might want to look into why that is...
Then tell me?
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Then tell me?
Do your own homework, you're the one making claims
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Do your own homework, you're the one making claims
Sorry to rephrase my comments towards you, I have come across communities on Reddit, here and elsewhere online where there is a post about something LGBTQ+ related. I post a comment around the subject, either asking a question or supporting the general cause, but ofc I experience the entire situation differently than somebody who is completely part of it, so people always notice it.
But instead of explaining where I am wrong or forming a normal conversation, I get shit like you are doing. Which really alienates me from the online communities. I act the same way when I am in person talking to people from LGBTQ+ and they act completely different and some even share the same opinion.
I do live in NL where the situation surrounding LGBTQ+ is more open than in a lot of other countries, but still.
Where do you suggest I start doing "my homework"? or are you just gonna shut me down trying to learn more about the subject like most have done?
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Sorry to rephrase my comments towards you, I have come across communities on Reddit, here and elsewhere online where there is a post about something LGBTQ+ related. I post a comment around the subject, either asking a question or supporting the general cause, but ofc I experience the entire situation differently than somebody who is completely part of it, so people always notice it.
But instead of explaining where I am wrong or forming a normal conversation, I get shit like you are doing. Which really alienates me from the online communities. I act the same way when I am in person talking to people from LGBTQ+ and they act completely different and some even share the same opinion.
I do live in NL where the situation surrounding LGBTQ+ is more open than in a lot of other countries, but still.
Where do you suggest I start doing "my homework"? or are you just gonna shut me down trying to learn more about the subject like most have done?
I heard great things about "The will to change" by Bell Hooks
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Sorry to rephrase my comments towards you, I have come across communities on Reddit, here and elsewhere online where there is a post about something LGBTQ+ related. I post a comment around the subject, either asking a question or supporting the general cause, but ofc I experience the entire situation differently than somebody who is completely part of it, so people always notice it.
But instead of explaining where I am wrong or forming a normal conversation, I get shit like you are doing. Which really alienates me from the online communities. I act the same way when I am in person talking to people from LGBTQ+ and they act completely different and some even share the same opinion.
I do live in NL where the situation surrounding LGBTQ+ is more open than in a lot of other countries, but still.
Where do you suggest I start doing "my homework"? or are you just gonna shut me down trying to learn more about the subject like most have done?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because for a lot of people posting snark on the internet is more flattering to their ego than advancing the goals of movements they claim to support.
(Yes I amxaware of the irony within this post)
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I heard great things about "The will to change" by Bell Hooks
Okey interesting, Ill keep it in mind.
It might not work for this situation I have experiences about the LGBTQ+ communities online, but who knows.
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Because for a lot of people posting snark on the internet is more flattering to their ego than advancing the goals of movements they claim to support.
(Yes I amxaware of the irony within this post)
Well that doesn't help no ....
But the consequence of it, is that people like me experience the not being able to talk about certain aspects of humanity or of life, which is kinda understandable to be fair.
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You see this more in online LGBTQ+ communities, they are all about inclusion, but when a hetero sis male wants to talk about the subject they aren't the biggest fan of it. Even though we all got to live together?
As long as they don't discriminate, it's fine, but still ironic.Edit: changed my wording to be clearer about what I mean.
It's not ironic at all. I'm guessing you have never been in a setting that would have benefitted from such a policy.
I don't find it too difficult to comprehend why it's useful to have spaces where minority-focused topics are discussed by everyone, alongside other spaces where the same topics are discussed primarily by the minority in question. Not if you understand what the words "minority" and "majority" mean anyway.
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You see this more in online LGBTQ+ communities, they are all about inclusion, but when a hetero sis male wants to talk about the subject they aren't the biggest fan of it. Even though we all got to live together?
As long as they don't discriminate, it's fine, but still ironic.Edit: changed my wording to be clearer about what I mean.
You are beeing very vague in what you describe so I wil be as well. If that means I'm talking about something else I'm sory. As a cis guy the way I understand it is, that some spaces meant for internal discussion about problems that are unique to LGBTQ+ people in order to share experience and advice where most people who are not part of the group can't say anything since they aren't affected. Since that is most people hetero peple are not welcome there in general for simplicity's sake. Those spaces are not meant as an Information desk and they don't have to be one since there are other spaces on the internet that can act as that. No one should have to be forced to be an information provider for something they are born with. The same as no blind person is obligated to answer your questions about their condition.
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Okey interesting, Ill keep it in mind.
It might not work for this situation I have experiences about the LGBTQ+ communities online, but who knows.
Thx!I can personally recommend "Trans liberation: beyond pink and blue", which is a series of talks by leslie feinberg on trans issues and intersectionality. Its not written with cis men in mind but might be a closer match? At any rate a really great read.
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You are beeing very vague in what you describe so I wil be as well. If that means I'm talking about something else I'm sory. As a cis guy the way I understand it is, that some spaces meant for internal discussion about problems that are unique to LGBTQ+ people in order to share experience and advice where most people who are not part of the group can't say anything since they aren't affected. Since that is most people hetero peple are not welcome there in general for simplicity's sake. Those spaces are not meant as an Information desk and they don't have to be one since there are other spaces on the internet that can act as that. No one should have to be forced to be an information provider for something they are born with. The same as no blind person is obligated to answer your questions about their condition.
Well that's fair, it has been a while since I ran into a LGBTQ+ community online, so it might have changed, but like I said I have heard it from others as well.
that some spaces meant for internal discussion about problems that are unique to LGBTQ+ people in order to share experience and advice where most people who are not part of the group can’t say anything since they aren’t affected. Since that is most people hetero peple are not welcome there in general for simplicity’s sake. Those spaces are not meant as an Information desk and they don’t have to be one since there are other spaces on the internet that can act as that.
You are right about that, but I wasn't commenting on threads like that per say, because well I don't have a clue about it.
But I have comment on a thread about say gender-neutral bathrooms, some people prefer them and some people don't. I responded that the trans people I know preferred their current gendered bathroom because well they are that gender.
People didn't like that I said that, but maybe it is because like somebody else said, so many people lie on the internet and such. -
It's not ironic at all. I'm guessing you have never been in a setting that would have benefitted from such a policy.
I don't find it too difficult to comprehend why it's useful to have spaces where minority-focused topics are discussed by everyone, alongside other spaces where the same topics are discussed primarily by the minority in question. Not if you understand what the words "minority" and "majority" mean anyway.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I dislike the whole minority/majority thing, we are all human and we need to be threated like that.
Maybe you are right and I accidentally joined some LGBTQ+ threads ment more for minorities. That doesn't explain why some of my gay friends never felt welcome in online communities for LGBTQ+
Often what just happens irl is that those people just meet each other somewhere without the rest or go somewhere slightly differently during work, a party or whatever and then talk about what they want. At least that's when I was a minority back in the day when gaming was for nerds. And that's what my LGBTQ+ friends do when they want to do that, but The Netherlands has always been pretty open to that. That same thing happens online that people don't join discussions they don't care about.
It’s not ironic at all. I’m guessing you have never been in a setting that would have benefitted from such a policy.
The only times I have been in a setting like that was when getting bullied in school where they didn't want to talk to me because I was the minority.
Edit: I care about people, not about in what "group" they belong, fuck that
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You are beeing very vague in what you describe so I wil be as well. If that means I'm talking about something else I'm sory. As a cis guy the way I understand it is, that some spaces meant for internal discussion about problems that are unique to LGBTQ+ people in order to share experience and advice where most people who are not part of the group can't say anything since they aren't affected. Since that is most people hetero peple are not welcome there in general for simplicity's sake. Those spaces are not meant as an Information desk and they don't have to be one since there are other spaces on the internet that can act as that. No one should have to be forced to be an information provider for something they are born with. The same as no blind person is obligated to answer your questions about their condition.
I'll share a similar thought making a comparison with religious (or atheist) communities.
It makes total sense that a christian community won't want an "edgelord atheist" talking his point of view on how the christian God was an evolution from an old storm god of Israel.
Or maybe even offering an in-context interpretation of a bible text that goes against the christian narrative [my pet peeve is that David was no "stupid kid" that relied on faith and got a miraculous lucky shot to kill Goliath since David claims to have killed a lion and a bear (in close combat? or with the sling?) But yet, a lot of christians portray David as a weakling that somehow killed Goliath].
In a similar way, an atheist or ex-christian comunity don't want christians proselytizing there even though ex-christians deeply understand that the proselytizer probably really "cares about the lost souls". Even then, proselytizing there is a dick move because it is a safe space for people to process their removal from religion outside of a christian group (which will try to pull back in the "lost sheep").
Now, no matter if "you" (reader) are a christian or an atheist, I'm pretty sure that you can agree with at least the idea of christians having a safe space (if you are christian) or atheist having a safe space (if you are atheist/ex-christian).
What need to be done is only extrapolating that understanding to the other group.
Then extrapolate that understanding for why woman need an space where they can talk freely among themselves.
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Sorry to rephrase my comments towards you, I have come across communities on Reddit, here and elsewhere online where there is a post about something LGBTQ+ related. I post a comment around the subject, either asking a question or supporting the general cause, but ofc I experience the entire situation differently than somebody who is completely part of it, so people always notice it.
But instead of explaining where I am wrong or forming a normal conversation, I get shit like you are doing. Which really alienates me from the online communities. I act the same way when I am in person talking to people from LGBTQ+ and they act completely different and some even share the same opinion.
I do live in NL where the situation surrounding LGBTQ+ is more open than in a lot of other countries, but still.
Where do you suggest I start doing "my homework"? or are you just gonna shut me down trying to learn more about the subject like most have done?
If you aren't a performative ally, you're basically a nazi. People who just don't care and keep their opinions to themselves get shit on more by these folks than republicans.
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I dislike the whole minority/majority thing, we are all human and we need to be threated like that.
Maybe you are right and I accidentally joined some LGBTQ+ threads ment more for minorities. That doesn't explain why some of my gay friends never felt welcome in online communities for LGBTQ+
Often what just happens irl is that those people just meet each other somewhere without the rest or go somewhere slightly differently during work, a party or whatever and then talk about what they want. At least that's when I was a minority back in the day when gaming was for nerds. And that's what my LGBTQ+ friends do when they want to do that, but The Netherlands has always been pretty open to that. That same thing happens online that people don't join discussions they don't care about.
It’s not ironic at all. I’m guessing you have never been in a setting that would have benefitted from such a policy.
The only times I have been in a setting like that was when getting bullied in school where they didn't want to talk to me because I was the minority.
Edit: I care about people, not about in what "group" they belong, fuck that
We're all human but that doesn't erase systemic issues. And not being effectively brigaded is all they ask for.
