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    Is this what they meant with "the like must go up at any cost"? Because it doesn't feel right.

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      increase in global temperature drastically increase the intensity of hurricanes, theres a theoretical type called a hypercane.

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        Imagine seeing this and not immediately going full Avalanche blowing up reactors n shit...

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        Reactors would be helpful in this situation honestly. They only emit steam

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          The scary thing is, this graph is probably far too conservative.

          Evidence is now emerging that indicates that warming has accelerated dramatically in the last 2-3 years. As in, we may see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50, with +3℃ happening just after 2035, and +4℃ happening by some time around 2040 to 2050.

          You know what happens around +4℃? The extinction of all megafauna - animals larger than 45kg. Like humans. The entire ⅓ of the planet between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn will experience lethally high wet bulb temperatures across all regions for at least several weeks out of every year, rendering it permanently uninhabitable for the 4+ Billion people that currently live there. India is currently flirting with that reality.

          And with that heating inertia, 2100 may see +8℃ temps, which essentially means ice-free poles year round (once things calm down), with palm trees and alligators at the North Pole. Of course, by that time chaotic weather and resource exhaustion will have killed off all remaining humans.

          And the lovely thing about “moving parts” is that they all have this little thing called inertia… the faster they move, the further they go. And +8℃ is very close to the +12-15℃ that a Venus Scenario would be triggered by.

          Past warming events have been “similar” in that they have gotten just as warm, but they took hundreds of thousands of years to get to the same place, allowing entire continent-wide ecosystems to quite literally migrate across thousands of kilometers to adapt. Our changes are happening in less than 0.01% of that time scale, giving ecosystems no time at all in which to react. So our biosphere will get slaughtered along with us, and will be unable to compensate in time.

          And with the biosphere becoming overwhelmed by rapid changes, there goes the “friction” that could do something about that “inertia”.

          And the worst part is, we still haven’t moved off of the worst-case-possible “business as usual” path. We are swan-diving into the worst possible future. Thanks to billionaires addicted to fat profit margins and who control all of the processes, we are utterly failing to generate the change needed to save ourselves, with CO2e production - purely human sources, excluding the feedback loops in nature!! - CONTINUING TO ACCELERATE.

          Fun times. I just might live long enough to see humanity go extinct.

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          Not that renaming problems ever helps, but this is why I'm trying to push "anthropogenic runaway global heating" as a replacement for the weak formulation of "global warming" and the even weaker "climate change". It has the handy acronym of ARGH.

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            No you don’t understand.

            Jesus.

            That’s all, any questions will be met with a holy sword to the clavicle. Jesus!

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              2 x 4 = 8

              Your grasp of basic math explains a lot.

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              Hah made a typo and fuzzed up the formatting. Fixed

              But the data at all doesn't show that there won't be another generation. Like the change is nowhere near fast enough for that.

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                Earth: Ok, HMB…

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                Earth really needs to step up its game if it wants to kill us off before the next generation. Slacking fr

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                  A lot of ordinary people voted for politicians that promised them cheap gas and cost of living, instead of the ones wanting to build a sustainable future.

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                  I keep hearing this argument and its such a cop out. People are intelligent enough to understand they can make a difference by dropping their financial contribution to the key players in climate change.

                  they just don't want to because they're selfish

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                    Not that renaming problems ever helps, but this is why I'm trying to push "anthropogenic runaway global heating" as a replacement for the weak formulation of "global warming" and the even weaker "climate change". It has the handy acronym of ARGH.

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                    Love it.

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                      I don't think this is gonna be a very popular response but here's my 2 cents after reading a lot of comments.

                      We are all products of out time. I'm not gonna blame ordinary people for believing what they were told when it was the general consensus at the time.

                      That doesn't excuse that behavior today. Today we know better.

                      But when my parents grew up, burning your garbage in the fire pit was considered recycling. It was the norm.

                      Today my parents and grandparents don't burn plastic in a fire pit. Because today we know better. But I don't think they ignored it 40 years ago. They just didn't know better.

                      Good thing we educate people on how to do what we can. Unfortunately, what individuals do doesn't matter much.

                      In school I did a project on climate change and in that research, I found that 1 single coal PowerPlant in Germany, released more co2, sulfur, monoxide and what not, in 1 month. Than every single registered vehicle in Sweden combined, does in a whole year.

                      So being a good citizen and taking my bike to the store and work instead of car (even during winter). Feels like a fart in the wind knowing that. Not to mention cargo-ships and what they use on international waters.

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                      I understand your feeling regarding our small action being useless, I feel the same.

                      What I try to tell myself to keep doing it is: If most of everyone would do it, that fart in the wind would be loud enough to make politician realise they have to take it into account and pass legislation aligned with that.

                      Deep down though, I know we'll never be enough to do it for it to have an impact

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                        AI is going to fix this by increasing the scale of the Y axis.

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                        Just hallucinate better data

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                          No you're correct, the co2 levels act slowly over time to increase temperatures so we haven't even got a tiny fraction of the total warming. The only way to deal with it is to go sharply carbon negative as soon as possible and use Geoengineering to actively cool the planet.

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                          geoengineering

                          Maybe, but its like natural gas; going to be used as an excuse to mot fix anything else and jack off about svifi bullshit til we all die.

                          Not that it couldn't alao be a useful tool in tje hands of responsible adults.

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                            The scary thing is, this graph is probably far too conservative.

                            Evidence is now emerging that indicates that warming has accelerated dramatically in the last 2-3 years. As in, we may see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50, with +3℃ happening just after 2035, and +4℃ happening by some time around 2040 to 2050.

                            You know what happens around +4℃? The extinction of all megafauna - animals larger than 45kg. Like humans. The entire ⅓ of the planet between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn will experience lethally high wet bulb temperatures across all regions for at least several weeks out of every year, rendering it permanently uninhabitable for the 4+ Billion people that currently live there. India is currently flirting with that reality.

                            And with that heating inertia, 2100 may see +8℃ temps, which essentially means ice-free poles year round (once things calm down), with palm trees and alligators at the North Pole. Of course, by that time chaotic weather and resource exhaustion will have killed off all remaining humans.

                            And the lovely thing about “moving parts” is that they all have this little thing called inertia… the faster they move, the further they go. And +8℃ is very close to the +12-15℃ that a Venus Scenario would be triggered by.

                            Past warming events have been “similar” in that they have gotten just as warm, but they took hundreds of thousands of years to get to the same place, allowing entire continent-wide ecosystems to quite literally migrate across thousands of kilometers to adapt. Our changes are happening in less than 0.01% of that time scale, giving ecosystems no time at all in which to react. So our biosphere will get slaughtered along with us, and will be unable to compensate in time.

                            And with the biosphere becoming overwhelmed by rapid changes, there goes the “friction” that could do something about that “inertia”.

                            And the worst part is, we still haven’t moved off of the worst-case-possible “business as usual” path. We are swan-diving into the worst possible future. Thanks to billionaires addicted to fat profit margins and who control all of the processes, we are utterly failing to generate the change needed to save ourselves, with CO2e production - purely human sources, excluding the feedback loops in nature!! - CONTINUING TO ACCELERATE.

                            Fun times. I just might live long enough to see humanity go extinct.

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                            I just finished reading The Deluge by Stephen Markley and I'm at the acceptance phase of greif.

                            Tardigrades will probably survive, and at least plastic pollution will be halted.

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                              Note that the "reactors" are, in-game, energy plants that convert literal life force into electricity.

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                              Sorry the actual discourse hasnt risen above the level of thirty year old video games, it's really hard to tell sometimes.

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                                Honestly, the majority of what you listed isn't going to make any difference in the slightest even if literally everyone did it tomorrow.

                                Here's a completely random non-comprehensive list of stuff that would actually be pretty impactful though.

                                Upgrade your dryer to a heat pump dryer , they use 1/4 the amount of electricity to do the same job if literally everyone traded their electric dryer for the heat pump dryer it would dramatically reduce energy usage and thus also result in a dramatic drop in CO2 generation from various energy generation sources. You don't have to worry about your old dryer it is made of 90% material that actually gets recycled for real just drop it off at a scrap yard.

                                Use your compost bin actually start separating stuff for it properly . Most people don't make use of it, if you are particular waste Company does not offer composting then simply make a compost box somewhere on your property if you can and start composting there's a lot of things that just end up in the trash that could be compostable which would be better for it the environment and reduce the burden on the waste system.

                                Curb the demand for forever chemicals. Replace everything in your kitchen with stainless steel or wood or glass. No plastic or Teflon just learn to preheat your pans properly and use a little bit of oil the sticking of your eggs is nothing more than a skill issue I use stainless steel and I can make fried eggs that slide around like they're on ice. And not just the pots and pans replace all of your utensils plates bowls. It creates a small surge in waste initially as you get rid of the old stuff but as long as it's going forward you never purchase the plastics again it means demand will go down.

                                Those are just a couple completely random things that would be fairly simple and easy to do that would actually make a pretty drastic difference if even just 40% of the population would follow through but I speak from experience when I say if you attempt to get people on board with any of these they just can't be bothered because it's a slight minor inconvenience compared to what they already do

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                                The beauty of composting is you don't even need to use it. It'll just turn into a dirt pile.

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                                  The scary thing is, this graph is probably far too conservative.

                                  Evidence is now emerging that indicates that warming has accelerated dramatically in the last 2-3 years. As in, we may see more warming in the next 10 years than we have seen in the last 50, with +3℃ happening just after 2035, and +4℃ happening by some time around 2040 to 2050.

                                  You know what happens around +4℃? The extinction of all megafauna - animals larger than 45kg. Like humans. The entire ⅓ of the planet between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn will experience lethally high wet bulb temperatures across all regions for at least several weeks out of every year, rendering it permanently uninhabitable for the 4+ Billion people that currently live there. India is currently flirting with that reality.

                                  And with that heating inertia, 2100 may see +8℃ temps, which essentially means ice-free poles year round (once things calm down), with palm trees and alligators at the North Pole. Of course, by that time chaotic weather and resource exhaustion will have killed off all remaining humans.

                                  And the lovely thing about “moving parts” is that they all have this little thing called inertia… the faster they move, the further they go. And +8℃ is very close to the +12-15℃ that a Venus Scenario would be triggered by.

                                  Past warming events have been “similar” in that they have gotten just as warm, but they took hundreds of thousands of years to get to the same place, allowing entire continent-wide ecosystems to quite literally migrate across thousands of kilometers to adapt. Our changes are happening in less than 0.01% of that time scale, giving ecosystems no time at all in which to react. So our biosphere will get slaughtered along with us, and will be unable to compensate in time.

                                  And with the biosphere becoming overwhelmed by rapid changes, there goes the “friction” that could do something about that “inertia”.

                                  And the worst part is, we still haven’t moved off of the worst-case-possible “business as usual” path. We are swan-diving into the worst possible future. Thanks to billionaires addicted to fat profit margins and who control all of the processes, we are utterly failing to generate the change needed to save ourselves, with CO2e production - purely human sources, excluding the feedback loops in nature!! - CONTINUING TO ACCELERATE.

                                  Fun times. I just might live long enough to see humanity go extinct.

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                                  So I suppose I just have 15 more years to live huh?

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                                    Imagine finding that people your own age ignored it too, like they're doing right now.

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                                    My employer, employing 90 people, a lot of which are in their 20s and 30s, has decided to organise the yearly seminar event in a place where most of the company needs to board a plane to go.
                                    I immediately said I wouldn't go if I needed to take a plane, I was not the only one to say it. The company offered to reimburse any alternative journey (train+boat) which is a bit more expensive, but way way longer (14h transport vs 3h on plane, not taking into account the time in between train and ferry: I'll be traveling for more than 24h in total between start and end, and same for the return journey). I said I'd do it, the others that spoke out: not so much, they are either not coming or taking the plane... In the end I think I will be the only one, we'll see.

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                                      So I suppose I just have 15 more years to live huh?

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                                      Yes there are some upsides

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                                        Relevant xkcd

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                                          increase in global temperature drastically increase the intensity of hurricanes, theres a theoretical type called a hypercane.

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                                          Which could destroy the ozone layer by pumping water into it, which would be very bad.

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