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What the hell is going on in the UK?

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  • W This user is from outside of this forum
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    Is everything alright over there? Why are you guys trying to model your telecom infrastructure off North Korea or the Peoples Republic of China?

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      Is everything alright over there? Why are you guys trying to model your telecom infrastructure off North Korea or the Peoples Republic of China?

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      Blame the corporations and governments. The people have shown with our polls and petitions that we do NOT support this, yet the government (which is controlled by the companies) response has basically been 'fuck you, we're doing it anyway'

      Also, apparently this is also happening in the EU, Australia, and the USA

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        Is everything alright over there? Why are you guys trying to model your telecom infrastructure off North Korea or the Peoples Republic of China?

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        Fun fact: they banned encryption on Amateur Radio frequencies.

        The internet is our era's version of Amateur Radio, so judging by historical trends, they will soon ban end-to-end encryption for internet communications.

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          Fun fact: they banned encryption on Amateur Radio frequencies.

          The internet is our era's version of Amateur Radio, so judging by historical trends, they will soon ban end-to-end encryption for internet communications.

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          How will you guys get around it?

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            Fun fact: they banned encryption on Amateur Radio frequencies.

            The internet is our era's version of Amateur Radio, so judging by historical trends, they will soon ban end-to-end encryption for internet communications.

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            Encryption wasn't ever legal for most hams. But, then, who can copy 30wpm Morse these days?

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              Fun fact: they banned encryption on Amateur Radio frequencies.

              The internet is our era's version of Amateur Radio, so judging by historical trends, they will soon ban end-to-end encryption for internet communications.

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              Fun fact: they banned encryption on Amateur Radio frequencies.

              Are you sure that this is recent?

              https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/tge77a/is_it_illegal_to_encrypt_traffic_over_ham_radio/

              is it illegal to encrypt traffic over ham radio?

              OP, you should probably clarify which country you live in. The rules are different by country, but in the majority of places encryption on ham radio frequencies is not legal.

              Specific to the United States, the very short summary is that there are narrow exemptions that allow encryption, but none that will let you legally send an encrypted message to another person, or have an encrypted two-way conversation that cannot be decrypted by someone else. Encryption in the US is only allowed for cases like protecting radio commands being sent to satellites from external tampering.

              There are probably ways available to everyone to transmit data in an encrypted form. It sounds like some non-amateur frequencies that aren't that hard to get access to in the UK permit for encryption:

              https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/tkbx8f/any_radio_with_encryption_that_is_legal_to_use_in/

              Is there ANY handheld radio that is encrypted/has encryption that can be used in the UK

              Get a business radio licence. They cost bugger all to get for what you'll need, from as little as £75 for a 5 year licence, and you can get digital radio gear from Kenwood, Motorola or Icom that'll do what you want.

              You could use the licence free PMR446 but the range is utter shite.

              I assume that given that WiFi exists and is usually encrypted, the unregulated spectrum permits for encryption, unless the UK deals with that range very differently than the US does.

              Also, if you want a point-to-point link and can use lasers, I doubt that that's regulated.

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                Encryption wasn't ever legal for most hams. But, then, who can copy 30wpm Morse these days?

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                AIs probably can

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                  Fun fact: they banned encryption on Amateur Radio frequencies.

                  The internet is our era's version of Amateur Radio, so judging by historical trends, they will soon ban end-to-end encryption for internet communications.

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                  They will never ban encryption, they may ban specific cyphers. It is too useful for them. What they will, and have done, is require platforms to either
                  A. use broken algorithms that they can break the key for.
                  B. Install application backdoors so they don't have to mess with encryption.

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                    Is everything alright over there? Why are you guys trying to model your telecom infrastructure off North Korea or the Peoples Republic of China?

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                    They're trying to lose all their voters.

                    First they lock up the internet, then they lower the voting age to 16.

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                      Is everything alright over there? Why are you guys trying to model your telecom infrastructure off North Korea or the Peoples Republic of China?

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                      I don't think it's as bad as North Korea.

                      China? I mean... We're going in that direction.

                      Basically a bunch of mums who cannot take care of their children (and one is in denial about her son's suicide, attributing it to a "tiktok challenge" when his phone showed no evidence of there being such a challenge and his phone wasn't even filming) are being a loud minority. And people who have been kicking up a fuss over it have been dismissed as terrible people, until the act comes into force and every normie needs to submit ID to use twitter.

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                        They will never ban encryption, they may ban specific cyphers. It is too useful for them. What they will, and have done, is require platforms to either
                        A. use broken algorithms that they can break the key for.
                        B. Install application backdoors so they don't have to mess with encryption.

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                        Just set up your own Snikket client or Synapse server. They can't get all of us.

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                        • maestro@fedia.ioM [email protected]

                          AIs probably can

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                          They'd have trouble if the 'fist' is sloppy enough. Swing it

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                            Fun fact: they banned encryption on Amateur Radio frequencies.

                            Are you sure that this is recent?

                            https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/tge77a/is_it_illegal_to_encrypt_traffic_over_ham_radio/

                            is it illegal to encrypt traffic over ham radio?

                            OP, you should probably clarify which country you live in. The rules are different by country, but in the majority of places encryption on ham radio frequencies is not legal.

                            Specific to the United States, the very short summary is that there are narrow exemptions that allow encryption, but none that will let you legally send an encrypted message to another person, or have an encrypted two-way conversation that cannot be decrypted by someone else. Encryption in the US is only allowed for cases like protecting radio commands being sent to satellites from external tampering.

                            There are probably ways available to everyone to transmit data in an encrypted form. It sounds like some non-amateur frequencies that aren't that hard to get access to in the UK permit for encryption:

                            https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/tkbx8f/any_radio_with_encryption_that_is_legal_to_use_in/

                            Is there ANY handheld radio that is encrypted/has encryption that can be used in the UK

                            Get a business radio licence. They cost bugger all to get for what you'll need, from as little as £75 for a 5 year licence, and you can get digital radio gear from Kenwood, Motorola or Icom that'll do what you want.

                            You could use the licence free PMR446 but the range is utter shite.

                            I assume that given that WiFi exists and is usually encrypted, the unregulated spectrum permits for encryption, unless the UK deals with that range very differently than the US does.

                            Also, if you want a point-to-point link and can use lasers, I doubt that that's regulated.

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                            That’s right. In USA and Canada it’s AMATEUR radio. Commercial activity is prohibited. Various protocols are allowed for information transmission, but must be basically open source so anyone can play.

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