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"ok, imagine a gun."

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    Not many countries had to arm the person next to the coach driver to fight off natives defending their country against foreign invaders.

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    That's not what it was for. They fired a shotgun before turning onto a road. If two wagons came head to head on a crappy old western road it could cause hours of delay because the horses would have to be hitched to the back of one of the wagons a pull it all the way back to the crossroad.

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      Fun fact: Joseph Stalin first became known to Lenin when he organized the successful robbery of a bank stagecoach in Russia. The stagecoaches were heavily protected by armed men riding on the outside of the coach as well as riding horses alongside, but Stalin observed that they tended to relax their guard upon reaching a densely-populated city, on the assumption that revolutionaries would not be willing to injure or kill innocent bystanders.

      This assumption was very wrong in Stalin's case. He had his people lob satchel bombs at the coach and riders after they reached the city, killing most of the guards as well as nearly 100 innocent bystanders in the vicinity. They made off with a huge amount of money, and Lenin congratulated Stalin although he had only planned the operation and not participated in it. The importance of delegation!

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      Huh, who knew that violent bank robbers who indiscriminately kill bystanders would do a bunch of genocide after their violent takeover complete with secret police and gulags I mean create the best goverbmont in history, praise USSR or something.

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        I think press works for Caulk and glue. Stapler is used already for the machine that sits on a desk as opposed to the hand held construction style. Finger pointers is certainly descriptive but when people do "finger guns" the thumb usually mimics the hammer action. What else are they miming? Am I so inundated with gun culture I was unable to think of another use for the thumb?

        I think bottles were around before firearms but Staple, nail and Caulk guns were not.

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        They're both staplers - one's just manual and the other isn't.

        Spray bottles did not exist before guns, no.

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          It's still relevant. I always hand my passengers a pistol before disembarking.

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            That's not what it was for. They fired a shotgun before turning onto a road. If two wagons came head to head on a crappy old western road it could cause hours of delay because the horses would have to be hitched to the back of one of the wagons a pull it all the way back to the crossroad.

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            What an interesting creative writing exercise

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              I'll try and explain, but let me know if you don't follow. In the US it's common to claim the front passenger seat by saying "I call shotgun!" or simply "Shotgun!" The commenter is playing on a now common refrain where Americans use firearms and terminology to describe basic things. As far as I can tell, it's true. For example: caulk gun, staple gun, nail gun, glue gun, tattoo gun, finger guns, ot phrases like "I'll think about it before I pull the trigger on it." Or "Shoot me your email and I'll get you those photos."

              I don't know how prolific this type of thing is in other countries though, so I can only assume we Americans arr outliers due to how deeply ingrained guns are in our culture. Hope this clarifies things a bit, let me know if not.

              TLDR: Americans describing so many things: "So imagine a gun, but..."

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              Pirate detected.

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                To be fair on this one, based on actual functionality 'air nailer' or 'power hammer' is more accurate than 'nail gun'' anyway. Outside of movies, you can't use it as a gun without enough modification that it's no longer the same tool.

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                Tell that to my .22 Ramset.

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                  That makes a bit more sense if true.
                  I don't easily picture 1920s gangsters wielding shotguns for a drive-by.

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                  The correct answer afaik is stagecoach, but tbf Clyde Barrow did use cut down Browning A5s in robberies. While I don't have any information on whether or not they were fired from a moving vehicle, it could have happened.

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                    arr

                    Pirate detected.

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                    Hoist the flag high!

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                      Fun fact: Joseph Stalin first became known to Lenin when he organized the successful robbery of a bank stagecoach in Russia. The stagecoaches were heavily protected by armed men riding on the outside of the coach as well as riding horses alongside, but Stalin observed that they tended to relax their guard upon reaching a densely-populated city, on the assumption that revolutionaries would not be willing to injure or kill innocent bystanders.

                      This assumption was very wrong in Stalin's case. He had his people lob satchel bombs at the coach and riders after they reached the city, killing most of the guards as well as nearly 100 innocent bystanders in the vicinity. They made off with a huge amount of money, and Lenin congratulated Stalin although he had only planned the operation and not participated in it. The importance of delegation!

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                      Tbilisi bank robbery

                      Bonus fun fact: part of the reason for their success might be that one of the local police informants was … Stalin.

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                        I thought it was a US police thing, because the passenger seat is where the shotgun is commonly holstered.

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                        Every American police car I've seen has the gun rack in the trunk.

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                          That is purely an American thing.

                          Not saying my family had someone in the passenger seat with a shotgun to protect their batch of white lightning...also not saying they didn't.

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                            They're both staplers - one's just manual and the other isn't.

                            Spray bottles did not exist before guns, no.

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                              Tbilisi bank robbery

                              Bonus fun fact: part of the reason for their success might be that one of the local police informants was … Stalin.

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                              I'm starting to think this Stalin guy has some red flags.

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                                That's like an amazing American showerthought, I never even considered it

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                                  It's used in the UK too

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                                  Fortunately I can't say I've ever met anyone who uses it. I believe it though, I'm seeing American-isms creep in to regular speech more and more.

                                  Can't say I like it.

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                                    Years ago I read "shotgun wedding" and thought it was common to see a guy having to marry a girl he fucked while her father was there at the side with a rifle.

                                    Capaz son asi andá a saber...

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                                    It means "quick marriage because the bride is pregnant" and that is 100% the origin of the phrase.

                                    Particularly in poorer, rural parts of the USA having a child out of wedlock was incredibly shameful, and the financial burden of a single motherhood was intolerable. So the bride's family would ensure the man responsible married their daughter ... regardless of how he felt about it. Sometimes that meant having a shotgun at the wedding to ensure he didn't run off.

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                                      Every American police car I've seen has the gun rack in the trunk.

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                                      This is in my head. Modern cop cars may be different.

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                                        They're both staplers - one's just manual and the other isn't.

                                        Spray bottles did not exist before guns, no.

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                                        They both put staples into things but they aren't really interchangeable functionally. It makes sense to distinguish them depending on the context.

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                                          Shotgun is an America thing, coming from the stagecoach era. The shotgun in question has a shortened barrel for reduced storage footprint.

                                          The BMW R12 has a sidecar mounted with an MG 42 light machine gun. But no-one calls sidecar gunner

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