Do you believe in reincarnation?
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I did get messed up by some anxiety and have these thoughts rolling through my head so I'll leave it at cosmic horror warning.
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I'm not religious but I have thoughts about experiencing consciousness and what it is. I say that consciousness is independent of memory because we forget, clearly dependent on our physical body, etc. generally I do say that we don't know consciousness so maybe it can be reconstructed (in the can't rule out the possibility way)So I can see scenarios were my conscious could pop into existence without my memories after I die (as I'm writing this I realized that's nothing to fear).
I am trying to adopt healthier mindset of looking at everything in life as a quest, new things are a call to action, and that it's okay if everything I do amounts to little in x number of years (worked out okay for ozymandias, right?).
Im probably just rambling because my life has got boring and monotonous along with actual fear of American politics.
:::We live in an infinite universe. As such, it seems hubristic to me to believe that we have, more or less, nature figured out.
I don't feel compelled to believe in the soul as some strange sort of object that is continuously reincarnated towards a great purpose. But if we consider consciousness as an energy of its own kind, then it should hold true that it cannot be created or destroyed, only change form. This could mean that the consciousness that resides in the body could move between different life forms like a fluid, freely mixing and melding with others, filling a new vessel as necessary.
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I did get messed up by some anxiety and have these thoughts rolling through my head so I'll leave it at cosmic horror warning.
::: spoiler spoiler
I'm not religious but I have thoughts about experiencing consciousness and what it is. I say that consciousness is independent of memory because we forget, clearly dependent on our physical body, etc. generally I do say that we don't know consciousness so maybe it can be reconstructed (in the can't rule out the possibility way)So I can see scenarios were my conscious could pop into existence without my memories after I die (as I'm writing this I realized that's nothing to fear).
I am trying to adopt healthier mindset of looking at everything in life as a quest, new things are a call to action, and that it's okay if everything I do amounts to little in x number of years (worked out okay for ozymandias, right?).
Im probably just rambling because my life has got boring and monotonous along with actual fear of American politics.
:::You say forgetting memories is proof or indicative that memory depends on the physical body. But isn't that true for conscious as well?
Our conscious is inherently bound to our physical being. We see, we feel, we taste, we identify with our body. Our brain allows us to think, and experience, to conceptualize our body, our being, us as an entity.
We cut off fingernails and discard them as no longer part of ourselves. We drive a car and internalize movement as if it were us moving, while not seeing the vehicle as part of ourselves.
Without experiencing and without a body to conceptualize, what would our consciousness be? Without a body and mind where consciousness can arise from experience and thoughts, how could consciousness arise?
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I did get messed up by some anxiety and have these thoughts rolling through my head so I'll leave it at cosmic horror warning.
::: spoiler spoiler
I'm not religious but I have thoughts about experiencing consciousness and what it is. I say that consciousness is independent of memory because we forget, clearly dependent on our physical body, etc. generally I do say that we don't know consciousness so maybe it can be reconstructed (in the can't rule out the possibility way)So I can see scenarios were my conscious could pop into existence without my memories after I die (as I'm writing this I realized that's nothing to fear).
I am trying to adopt healthier mindset of looking at everything in life as a quest, new things are a call to action, and that it's okay if everything I do amounts to little in x number of years (worked out okay for ozymandias, right?).
Im probably just rambling because my life has got boring and monotonous along with actual fear of American politics.
:::It's hard to say exactly. I wouldn't put it past the dev(s) to have potentially put something like "The Egg" in, so potentially yes, though we'd have no way of testing for it.
Story by Andy Weir here: https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI
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You say forgetting memories is proof or indicative that memory depends on the physical body. But isn't that true for conscious as well?
Our conscious is inherently bound to our physical being. We see, we feel, we taste, we identify with our body. Our brain allows us to think, and experience, to conceptualize our body, our being, us as an entity.
We cut off fingernails and discard them as no longer part of ourselves. We drive a car and internalize movement as if it were us moving, while not seeing the vehicle as part of ourselves.
Without experiencing and without a body to conceptualize, what would our consciousness be? Without a body and mind where consciousness can arise from experience and thoughts, how could consciousness arise?
Yeah theirs an idea that universal can recreate particles and mass from energy that exists and eventually I guess the universe can recreate the the universe similar to how we know it after some amount of time or make a big bang. I don't understand that physics but interesting concept.
I would be curious if the was consciousness without matter, maybe a pure energy based being could exist
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Ever hear of Dr. Ian Stevenson?
Edit: Not sure why I'm being downvoted, dude looked into reincarnation and had hundreds of documented cases, Carl Sagan wanted people to look more into it
He emphasized that the information he collected was suggestive of reincarnation but "was not flawless and it certainly does not compel such a belief."
If even the guy who had done the most research on it doesn't believe in it, why should anyone else?
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He emphasized that the information he collected was suggestive of reincarnation but "was not flawless and it certainly does not compel such a belief."
If even the guy who had done the most research on it doesn't believe in it, why should anyone else?
Don't cherrypick qoutes.
Regardless he had to say that to give himself an out, there was concern that he'd be judged negatively for even suggesting reincarnation. Something proven by your own hostility.
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No.
Do you remember before being born? It's the same after.
What about people who claim past life memories?
As is common amongst Buddhists
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I died and came back and there was nothing, that concludes it for me. Ymmv, of course.
Are you sure? Like what do you mean nothing? Like it all went to black? How do you know you just don't remember it?
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What do you mean by causal connection?
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i too am a long time lay practictioner of tibetan buddhsm, That is the real answer.
And to add, The Buddhists themselves don't really focus on the reincarnation aspect as much as one would think, its only ever really something that comes up incidentally like when enough connections about something come together in the right ways to warrant the question that maybe a past life is returning.
A reincarnated someone would be similar to someone who by their entirety of their atoms to their thoughts, seems to be like this other collection of thoughts and atoms.
Like the process of identifying the dalai lama is basically for the people searching to hone in on the schema of a dalai lama through any way they can and then when someone matches it they do their tests which are essentially to check if their actions are similar to that of the previous ones.
The way in which memory of psst lives works is much like lucid dreaming upon your death bed, you go to sleep with awareness of the changing reality and then the dream you end up in preferably made with an intentional choice becomes one solid line of remembrance which leads to kids who remember their past lives directly.
I have no idea what you said
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Are you sure? Like what do you mean nothing? Like it all went to black? How do you know you just don't remember it?
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Yes I am. Well, like dreamless time-skip sleeping or before being born, nothing. No not even going to black just not and nothing being there, movie cut.
And lastly, I can't, true. It could also be being influenced by the cocktail of medication you get in that situation which by the way has created a lot of stories to tell afterwards (trips) but not from the time of dying.
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What about people who claim past life memories?
As is common amongst Buddhists
Related video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_4BFX_qhhykI am aware. I personally think it's a load of religious bull, but don't directly want to offend anyone wanting to believe it.
I also know repatriation (I hope that's the correctly translated term) which is proven to be planted suggested memories through that very process scientifically as far as I am aware at the current state of science.
I do love reading (eg the game is life) playing with these theories, though!
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I am aware. I personally think it's a load of religious bull, but don't directly want to offend anyone wanting to believe it.
I also know repatriation (I hope that's the correctly translated term) which is proven to be planted suggested memories through that very process scientifically as far as I am aware at the current state of science.
I do love reading (eg the game is life) playing with these theories, though!
Proof of the evidence that reparitation is suggested?
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Yes I am. Well, like dreamless time-skip sleeping or before being born, nothing. No not even going to black just not and nothing being there, movie cut.
And lastly, I can't, true. It could also be being influenced by the cocktail of medication you get in that situation which by the way has created a lot of stories to tell afterwards (trips) but not from the time of dying.
NDEs are probably not drug induced... probably
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NDEs are probably not drug induced... probably
wrote last edited by [email protected]I like to compare it to electronics (since our brain also runs on/with electricity): unplug old electronics and have a look what's being displayed while the memory and visuals lose their power.
But after that, it's gone.
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No.
Do you remember before being born? It's the same after.
So reincarnation is not a thing but what's to stop "you" from coming back as a new individual? After all, it happened at least once.
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It's hard to say exactly. I wouldn't put it past the dev(s) to have potentially put something like "The Egg" in, so potentially yes, though we'd have no way of testing for it.
Story by Andy Weir here: https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI
Yeah I watched that video when it was new and had it rattling around in my head. It probably why I starting thinking memories and intelligence aren't part of consciousness. I do think emotions are connected to consciousness because they seem to override decision making.
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We live in an infinite universe. As such, it seems hubristic to me to believe that we have, more or less, nature figured out.
I don't feel compelled to believe in the soul as some strange sort of object that is continuously reincarnated towards a great purpose. But if we consider consciousness as an energy of its own kind, then it should hold true that it cannot be created or destroyed, only change form. This could mean that the consciousness that resides in the body could move between different life forms like a fluid, freely mixing and melding with others, filling a new vessel as necessary.
I don't know if I can believe in a great purpose, is there an end that's meant to be reached or is it like we find the next step.
Maybe we dream, and works towards it if we achieve it; we dream again. We can enjoy it, be absolutely ambivalent, or even suffer. Maybe I can get back to appreciating the universe unfolding in front of me.
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I hope not.
I felt that way too, but then I watched re zero and that changed my mentally. I watch the anime last year
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Proof of the evidence that reparitation is suggested?
Fair request.
I did some research into the topic a year ago due to my situation and came to the stated conclusion.
So I tried to find some scientific research again right now (in a limited time frame of like 10 to 20 minutes, on my mobile).
I first tried in English bot got a lot of hits regarding companies and since my native language is not English I don't know what that word means in relation to companies and also didn't want to waste time on that.
So I tried it in German and was flooded by hits which offer that ad a service and as such of course tell you how successful it is. Obviously.
I was not able to find the research I remember within that time, I am sorry.
However in any case you'd be free to believe whatever anyway.
The point of the information I read was however that people coming out of the procedure (sometimes, possibly also accidentally) get memories planted in a well known psychological way and it is a highly untrustworthy procedure.
So that's why I didn't do it. I have enough to cope with and don't need additional fictional issues added to that
