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Break Things !== Move Fast

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  • D [email protected]

    At work we have the following quote on the fridge

    "A ceramics teacher announced on opening day that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio, he said, would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would bring in his bathroom scales and weigh the work of the “quantity” group: fifty pound of pots rated an “A”, forty pounds a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot — albeit a perfect one — to get an “A”. Well, came grading time and a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work – and learning from their mistakes — the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay."

    We are a software development company and my reply to this was basically that pot making hasn't changed in a long time, it's basically shaping and firing clay. Software development is comparatively new and has a vastly more dynamic landscape.

    Also, the comparison is stupid because we don't write code, realize it was shit and write a new one. If we did business like that, we wouldn't be in business.

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    Give the same assignment to professionals and you will get a bunch of cheap pots from the quantity group, and a single perfect pot from the quality group that is so much better than all the others together.

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      At work we have the following quote on the fridge

      "A ceramics teacher announced on opening day that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio, he said, would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would bring in his bathroom scales and weigh the work of the “quantity” group: fifty pound of pots rated an “A”, forty pounds a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot — albeit a perfect one — to get an “A”. Well, came grading time and a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work – and learning from their mistakes — the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay."

      We are a software development company and my reply to this was basically that pot making hasn't changed in a long time, it's basically shaping and firing clay. Software development is comparatively new and has a vastly more dynamic landscape.

      Also, the comparison is stupid because we don't write code, realize it was shit and write a new one. If we did business like that, we wouldn't be in business.

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      From my experience of boss looking at people working. Working hard is by a huge margin a lot better than working smart. Trust me I know my shit. Once I even wrote a formula in Excel! /s

      That being said with experience you stop using anecdotes, easy pre-made sentences like "premature abstraction/optimisation is the root of all evil!" and you understand that there are no generic solutions and you need, every time, to think hard about the best way to produce something relatively to the context and constraints which, most of them, aren’t technical but organizational and human related.

      And also, if you intend to work on a project more than 6 months. Quality is really worth it. The lack of quality works like accumulating mud. After a while, you are stuck, and the next step will require a huge amount of energy.

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      • G [email protected]

        Ah yes a quote about beginners rapidly gaining beginner gains by practicing really does apply to a group of professionals trying to do their job in a business /s

        It's shocking the amount of morons people trying to do their job have to deal with nowadays. I'm sorry you have a colleague with the critical thinking ability of a punch drunk.

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        Yeah, not for long, I'm quitting this company as soon as I can.

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        • B [email protected]

          Is this on the desktop chrome version, or the app? For me in the app there is no button or any way to change this. Same for the site in Firefox mobile. I was on my phone, so I don't know about the desktop version.

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          Firefox desktop.

          Just checked with the android version, and I get the original audio track there, with options for ai dubbing

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          • B [email protected]

            I probably shouldn't even be using youtube in the first place, but 5 min ago I found out youtube is now forcing videos with an AI translated voice. While at the same time not having an option to change the audio track or disable the feature.

            This feels like a good example of pushing features most people don't want while not providing a normal way to disable it.

            Thank God I use revanced and can spoof the client as IOS TV, this gives you the option do disable that crap.

            Firefox (even mobile) has this addon "YT Anti Translate"

            It's pretty bad you have to go this far just to watch a video with the actual voice it was released with...

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            Thanks for the heads up! I had been disliking every video with AI voice, unaware they might have been uploaded in another language.

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            • tatterdemalion@programming.devT [email protected]

              That won't be true once your competition catches up to you and your bug-riddled product is pissing off customers, pushing them towards your competitors.

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              How much do you tolerate before switching sides? Think about Windows vs Linux. People don't switch.

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                Firefox desktop.

                Just checked with the android version, and I get the original audio track there, with options for ai dubbing

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                I also have these options in the app, for some reason they where hidden yesterday, I checked multiple times.

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                  I call bullshit. If you're competent enough, the process of breaking things might actually let you learn stuff. And if you have a controlled environment, breaking things shouldn't be an issue.

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                  • B [email protected]

                    I also have these options in the app, for some reason they where hidden yesterday, I checked multiple times.

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                    I suspect they are doing a lot of A/B testing at the moment

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                      I call bullshit. If you're competent enough, the process of breaking things might actually let you learn stuff. And if you have a controlled environment, breaking things shouldn't be an issue.

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                      You wrote like someone who doesn't treat in prod. How nice that must be.

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                        These assholes are bringing this mentality to the infrastructure industry now. As little as it worked in software development I promise you it works even less in large scale construction. That's why infrastructure engineers are required to be licensed, we tried this bs 200 years ago and shit literally went off the rails

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                          Can we please? Can we start actually fucking pistol whipping these dicks?‽

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                            Correct, we should move slowly and break things

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