I genuinely can't wait for Mobile Linux to become a thing
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Define, "sucks"
The complaints I see about custom OS the most:
- Bank or payment apps don't work due to Play Integrity API (blame Google)
- Some other Google apps don't work correctly (well... duh)
- Obscure functionality that is usually overlooked or intentionally ignored, but is a complete dealbreaker for that user.
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still better than ios lol
Be the change you want to see in the world.-- Daffy Duck
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I'm an /e/os user and all I can say is even though it sucks the least among its competition, it STILL SUCKS! Not to downplay the immense effort put in by the devs and maintainers of course. Providing a privacy-respecting phone OS to ordinary people isn't just a good deed, it's necessary for a vibrant and diverse digital society. But still, we can all strive for better.
By the way, do you know of any other OS except for GrafinoS that does not bundle any MicroG or other tether to Google? I like /e/os, but MicroG bothers me. Can it be uninstalled?
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The complaints I see about custom OS the most:
- Bank or payment apps don't work due to Play Integrity API (blame Google)
- Some other Google apps don't work correctly (well... duh)
- Obscure functionality that is usually overlooked or intentionally ignored, but is a complete dealbreaker for that user.
wrote last edited by [email protected]i never experienced point 2 or 3 in all my years of using them.
the problem for me is usually integrity api.
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By the way, do you know of any other OS except for GrafinoS that does not bundle any MicroG or other tether to Google? I like /e/os, but MicroG bothers me. Can it be uninstalled?
I'm not sure but afaik CalyxOS and LMODroid does that.
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Nah, /e/os and GrapheneOS rule!
Yep, they put in a lot of effort into the security and open source stuff, but at least on Graphene, the bundled apps are severely outdated aosp apps, they don't even support material you, meanwhile current aosp apps do support it, as can be seen on Lineage. The calculator app looks straight from Android 5 or probably earlier.
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Graphene rules
I'm currently trying to decide between private and repairable. Pixel with Graphene or an HMD Skyline. Wish Fairphone was an option.
How's picture quality with Graphene? How big a downgrade is it from the one packed on the stock pixel?
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The complaints I see about custom OS the most:
- Bank or payment apps don't work due to Play Integrity API (blame Google)
- Some other Google apps don't work correctly (well... duh)
- Obscure functionality that is usually overlooked or intentionally ignored, but is a complete dealbreaker for that user.
My banking app works on GrapheneOS. It didn't even need any of the compatibility settings to be turned. My experience has been smoother than the Android shipped with the device. I barely use Google apps apart from yt and haven't found any obscure issues yet. Is GrapheneOS just really good compared to others or did I get lucky with my bank and the features I use?
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I'm currently trying to decide between private and repairable. Pixel with Graphene or an HMD Skyline. Wish Fairphone was an option.
How's picture quality with Graphene? How big a downgrade is it from the one packed on the stock pixel?
I only use the camera for casual pictures and it's fine. It's still the same lenses and sensors after all. The camera app obviously isn't as all singing all dancing as stock but perfectly functional, has all the features you'd expect.
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still better than ios lol
I’m only using iOS because android is worse. Neither of them make me happy. IOS is just less terrible than Android.
The problem with a Linux phone is that there’s no market for it, and developing one is only possible if you fundamentally change what a Linux phone means thereby ruining it but getting profitability and therefore carrier support and manufacturer profitability.
We don’t get what we want. They do.
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achtually, every Android phone is using the Linux kernel
achtually, every Android phone is using the Linux kernel
Yes and support for GNU/Linux applications is currently in beta.
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still better than ios lol
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Yep, they put in a lot of effort into the security and open source stuff, but at least on Graphene, the bundled apps are severely outdated aosp apps, they don't even support material you, meanwhile current aosp apps do support it, as can be seen on Lineage. The calculator app looks straight from Android 5 or probably earlier.
I honestly couldn't care less about how the calculator app looks, and I'm sure you could find a more "modern" one on fdroid. The real problems are things like google pay not working (not a deal breaker imo, but would be nice to have)
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Yep, they put in a lot of effort into the security and open source stuff, but at least on Graphene, the bundled apps are severely outdated aosp apps, they don't even support material you, meanwhile current aosp apps do support it, as can be seen on Lineage. The calculator app looks straight from Android 5 or probably earlier.
Lineage has its own forks of most apps
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My banking app works on GrapheneOS. It didn't even need any of the compatibility settings to be turned. My experience has been smoother than the Android shipped with the device. I barely use Google apps apart from yt and haven't found any obscure issues yet. Is GrapheneOS just really good compared to others or did I get lucky with my bank and the features I use?
My bank app doesn't work with Graphene, which is a pain in the arse, but not the end of the world. I mean, they still have a website I can log into.
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Lineage has its own forks of most apps
Most, but there are exceptions, mainly the messages app, calculator, phone app, and keyboard that I know for sure.
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I’m only using iOS because android is worse. Neither of them make me happy. IOS is just less terrible than Android.
The problem with a Linux phone is that there’s no market for it, and developing one is only possible if you fundamentally change what a Linux phone means thereby ruining it but getting profitability and therefore carrier support and manufacturer profitability.
We don’t get what we want. They do.
Basically this. I use my phone as a tool and Linux phones don’t have the toolset for me to be satisfied. Like NFC payment, online banking and GPS tracking. Android does have the toolset but I’d like to keep my phone 5 years and longer. Currently rocking an iPhone 14 Pro and I plan on changing it with the iPhone 20 or 30 or however they call that one on 5 years.
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Nah, /e/os and GrapheneOS rule!
wrote last edited by [email protected]Just one problem. Both are still dependent on Google and Android-based. How sustainable is that security model when a company has the say-so over whether you get to flash your custom firmware next year, or the next year, or maybe the year after that?
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Yeah, like the Nexus 5. Not anything you'd want to actually use today.
I looked into Ubuntu Touch last week as a potential alternative to Graphene on my Pixel 9.
The most recent Pixel it supports is the 3.
So Graphene it is then...
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I'm currently trying to decide between private and repairable. Pixel with Graphene or an HMD Skyline. Wish Fairphone was an option.
How's picture quality with Graphene? How big a downgrade is it from the one packed on the stock pixel?
It pains me to say, but the stock Google camera app is by far and away the best option I've yet found on Graphene. Which has to pair with the Photos app, or you can't actually do anything with the photos it takes.
However, you don't have to sync either with Google (though you do have to sign in), you can set Graphene to only allow them access to the folder they need (while they think they have wider access), and you can turn off network permission.
