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    shitpost

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      Moderate right: "Does this group of people actually deserve the same rights as me?"

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        Anyone who utters a phrase like "they're hurting the wrong people" is not a moderate of any kind.

        Wanting a demographic to be hurt is inherently extremist.

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        Ehhh... depends. I find it extreme to be OK with certain demographics existing. Like Nazis. Nazis shouldn't exist, because they should be extinct.

        Wanting absolutely despicable people to hurt is and should be a natural emotional response to learning of their existence. The real question as to whether it's OK is, how are despicable people defined and identified?

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          Ehhh... depends. I find it extreme to be OK with certain demographics existing. Like Nazis. Nazis shouldn't exist, because they should be extinct.

          Wanting absolutely despicable people to hurt is and should be a natural emotional response to learning of their existence. The real question as to whether it's OK is, how are despicable people defined and identified?

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          To be somewhat pedantic, "Nazi" is not a demographic identifier. Demographics almost always refers to more immutable features like age, sex, gender, orientation, race, nationality, citizenship, etc. Political ideology is a way to divide and count people, but it's not something that is reliably counted as a demographic indicator.

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            why is this so downvoted? its saying extremism is bad no matter which end of the political spectrum you are on, which is true.

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              Ni idea porq tanto negativos

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                Ehhh... depends. I find it extreme to be OK with certain demographics existing. Like Nazis. Nazis shouldn't exist, because they should be extinct.

                Wanting absolutely despicable people to hurt is and should be a natural emotional response to learning of their existence. The real question as to whether it's OK is, how are despicable people defined and identified?

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                I meant demographics like POC or LGBTQ, aspects people cannot change about themselves. Being a fascist is a choice.

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                  Yeah, I can’t be friends with people who vote for people who don’t want me to exist.

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                  I got your back no matter what

                  Well I just voted that youre not allowed to exist, so how'd you wanna do this?

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                    shitpost

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                    Shit post

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                      I obviously can't speak for everyone but my assumption is that there is such fundamental disagreement that for many, even saying "agree to disagree" with certain people would be a betrayal of their own values.

                      Someone I know put it pretty well when talking about the idea of how accepting their workplace should be of people's different political values. They said "If someone doesn't think I should have human rights, I don't want to work with them." which I think makes the point pretty well. See also: paradox of tolerance.

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                        I obviously can't speak for everyone but my assumption is that there is such fundamental disagreement that for many, even saying "agree to disagree" with certain people would be a betrayal of their own values.

                        Someone I know put it pretty well when talking about the idea of how accepting their workplace should be of people's different political values. They said "If someone doesn't think I should have human rights, I don't want to work with them." which I think makes the point pretty well. See also: paradox of tolerance.

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                        someone who doesnt think you should have human rights isnt moderate though. there is such a thing as people who disagree with you but are not extremists.

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                          That's a good point. I guess things have gotten so bad I don't consider those views to be held only by extremists anymore but maybe (and hopefully) I'm wrong about that.

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                            There are certain times when opinions are too vile. If someone says gay marriage shouldn't exist, or that drag queens are grooming children, or that transwomen are transitioning just so they can win at sports, that clearly comes from a place of complete misunderstanding so ingrained that I couldn't be around them much.

                            These are reasonably common positions even among the "moderate" right.

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                              Well by the looks of it the moderate right ceased to exist in America or it has lost it's representation, in no small part thanks to the two party system. Over here in Europe I'd say it's much better and this meme could be relevant, was it not depicting America.

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                                Ni idea porq tanto negativos

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                                If you don't understand why you're getting so much negative feedback, then I'd say you're seriously lacking in either empathy or political understanding

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                                  To be somewhat pedantic, "Nazi" is not a demographic identifier. Demographics almost always refers to more immutable features like age, sex, gender, orientation, race, nationality, citizenship, etc. Political ideology is a way to divide and count people, but it's not something that is reliably counted as a demographic indicator.

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                                  I dunno', being a stupid bigoted judgemental clown willing to kill over things that they don't understand seems to be pretty immutable in my experience!

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                                    I meant demographics like POC or LGBTQ, aspects people cannot change about themselves. Being a fascist is a choice.

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                                    Ehhhh, I dunno', being a brainless bigot incapable of processing empathy seems to be pretty immutable in my experience!

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                                      Leftwing extremists want to tax the rich and give everyone medicine but they are willing to compromise and just keep our existing broken system if others don't agree.. Rightwing extremists want to build concentration camps for democrats and brown people, punish gay people for existing, subjugate women and crush all resistance murdering people if they can't get the votes to do it democratically.

                                      Right wing moderates are ok with this and believe other people should be ok with them for going along with this.

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                                        Yeah, I can’t be friends with people who vote for people who don’t want me to exist.

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                                        OP just wants to comprise on your suicide, you know, the amazing middle ground position....

                                        Sorry, that the world is that way. Many people support you and appreciate your existence. We fight together!

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                                          Yeah, I can’t be friends with people who vote for people who don’t want me to exist.

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                                          Good luck! I want a different world for you all. We fight together!

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