They're literally conspiring against you
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Aaaah. Nice jeans do you have it in 36?
No we don't stock big or small sizes.
Okay then, buys on the internet, gets jeans that :
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Wrong size in height or width
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Fits so bad you can't sit down
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They mistook your order for a Circus Tent
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For a mechanized process with no customization; the fucking lack of standards is really maddening.
Just ordering on Amazon the same product in the same size with the same material, but you want a different color. Turns out the size is all fucked up, it’s not even the same material. But it’s a different color.
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If anyone is down for a fascinating video essay about this by a textile historian: Standardized Sizes Ruined our Clothing Quality
Have you ever wondered how we let clothing quality get so bad? It wasn't just desperation for cheaper options- the 18th century consumer would never have been willing to pay so much for such poor quality cloth. And yet, they stayed clothed. Even their cheaper options lasting years of hard wear. But they knew what quality looked like and for the most part, we don't.
When did we forget how to shop for good clothing rather than just trendy? What makes clothing "high quality" is so complex and nearly impossible to track with online shopping. Even in person, it's not a simple answer. But it used to be that more money meant more quality, plain and simple. Where did we mess up this system? Turns out, standardized sizing allowed (and even encouraged) far more than just issues with poor fit and body image.
Back in the day you'd get a pair of jeans and they'd tailor it to your needs. If it was high quality materials I'd pay 200€ for a pair. Much cheaper than 5 x 60-80€ for bad / low quality crap.
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Men's pants too. And at the same store, by the EXACT SAME maker.
I have 34's, 36's and 38's in different colours and materials. They all fit comfortably, and if i get different sizes in those particular styles, they're either too big or too small.
Make it make sense, please.
You gained weight after the first purchase, and then converted the fat to muscle in the second purchase
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Aaaah. Nice jeans do you have it in 36?
No we don't stock big or small sizes.
Okay then, buys on the internet, gets jeans that :
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Wrong size in height or width
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Fits so bad you can't sit down
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They mistook your order for a Circus Tent
Yeah this is my life, I'm 38-40 waist depending if I've been looking after myself.
Basically that size doesn't exist on the high street, and it's never in stock online. I literally have to buy summer clothes in winter and vice versa because that's the only time I stand a chance of getting it in my size. I've wanted to buy a new pair of shorts from Levi's all summer and despite checking every week, I've not seen any in stock once.
And that's all before it arrives and then all the shit you mentioned can happen.
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That's just poor quality control.
Yes, that’s exactly what it is.
Which brand has good quality control?
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Yeah this is my life, I'm 38-40 waist depending if I've been looking after myself.
Basically that size doesn't exist on the high street, and it's never in stock online. I literally have to buy summer clothes in winter and vice versa because that's the only time I stand a chance of getting it in my size. I've wanted to buy a new pair of shorts from Levi's all summer and despite checking every week, I've not seen any in stock once.
And that's all before it arrives and then all the shit you mentioned can happen.
Shamefully I confess my last jeans was expensive Levis, but they do fit and I imagine I can just order the same ones again if needed? Before that GAP was the thing for me but they left the EU
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Shamefully I confess my last jeans was expensive Levis, but they do fit and I imagine I can just order the same ones again if needed? Before that GAP was the thing for me but they left the EU
.Tbh that's part of the reasons I want Levi's ones specifically, they have been very consistent with sizing in my experience
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Jokes on you I don't know what Letter/Number size I am, I just try some on and buy the one that fits
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As a guy I feel this for shirts specifically, sometimes I have to wear an XL sometimes it's a L and once in a blue moon I can wear a M. Why you may ask? Because for some fucking reason damned near every shirt assumes medium means 5'7 twink with a shoulder width smaller than my chest width, I'm 5'5 barrel chested and with wide shoulders where sometimes I can't wear a shirt cause I am forced to A pose by the shoulders. Also I can sometimes rip medium sized shirts assunder if I flex my back right.
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Sew your own
There's a ton of tutorials on YT, and a basic sewing machine is like $80
(Not to say that women's pants shouldn't have decent pockets, just that you're not forced to deal with them)
I'm time, space, and cash poor. I just want clothes I can wear.
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You voted for a genocider. Nobody likes you
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Just ordering on Amazon the same product in the same size with the same material, but you want a different color. Turns out the size is all fucked up, it’s not even the same material. But it’s a different color.
Maybe it has pockets where the origibal didnt! Maybe it doesnt where the original did! Who can say?
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As a guy I feel this for shirts specifically, sometimes I have to wear an XL sometimes it's a L and once in a blue moon I can wear a M. Why you may ask? Because for some fucking reason damned near every shirt assumes medium means 5'7 twink with a shoulder width smaller than my chest width, I'm 5'5 barrel chested and with wide shoulders where sometimes I can't wear a shirt cause I am forced to A pose by the shoulders. Also I can sometimes rip medium sized shirts assunder if I flex my back right.
damned near every shirt assumes medium means 5’7 twink with a shoulder width smaller than my chest width
I'm 6'0" and muscular with broad shoulders and most of my shirts are M. None of this sizing stuff makes any sense.
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No one's mentioned bras and how they are significantly worse? Lets make arbitrary cup and band sizes, but then add in how each bra has a different shape and projection even in the same brand. Are you full on top, full on bottom, average, shallow? What about root width and height? Well you won't know if any bra will fit until you try, even changing cup and band sizes won't make a bra not made for your shape fit properly. Each brand does their own different sizing even in each bra, each global country has their own sizing system, and it is madness.
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This is one of many reasons I don't buy textbook economics of capitalism.
For example, if they'd just put lots of pockets in women's clothing decades ago as standard, they'd have sold SOOOO much.
This idea that capitalism and the free hand of the market will gravitate towards bulk of demand is bullshit.
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Men's pants too. And at the same store, by the EXACT SAME maker.
I have 34's, 36's and 38's in different colours and materials. They all fit comfortably, and if i get different sizes in those particular styles, they're either too big or too small.
Make it make sense, please.
One relevant fact about men's pants is that the W (waist) size dates from the 1930s and 1940s when men wore high-waisted pants. The actual waist measurement was always about 3" smaller than the circumference around the hips; as the waistline of men's pants migrated downwards to where it is today, manufacturers kept the nominal W measurement of how big the waistline would have been if it had still been higher. I generally wear pants with a 33W but the actual circumference around the belt line is always around 36". It's not vanity sizing so much as anachronistic sizing.
There was a comedian a few decades ago who had a routine about how the aging process in men means your pants start migrating up towards your neck, but in reality it was just old men continuing to wear the kind of pants they had gotten used to as young men. It's a common phenomenon - I work with a bunch of women in their late 50s and early 60s and they all still have feathered haircuts like women did in the late 1970s and 1980s.
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Yes, that’s exactly what it is.
Which brand has good quality control?
Not Levi's lol.
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This isn't just a problem with women's jeans which have arbitrary size numbers. Even men's jeans which are size by the actual waist and inseam measurement can be wrong. In addition to vanity sizing, cheaper jeans are also made from larger material cuts out of the patterns at the same time to save manufacturing cost sometimes twice as many as shown here:
Those at the top or bottom of the stack may end up a bit smaller or a bit larger than the pattern, but they all get marked with the same size.
Whether it was this manufacturing problem or vanity sizing, this is why I stopped buying Old Navy jeans. I could pick out 3 jeans all labeled with the same size and one would fit okay, one would be too small, and one too large. I have never had this problem with Eddie Bauer jeans.
Edit: I found picture showing the larger stacks (which can introduce the mismatched sizing) I was referring to:
Even men’s jeans which are size by the actual waist and inseam measurement can be wrong.
They're not generally sized by the actual waist measurement. I wear 33W and my pants all measure about 36" around the belt line. The "waist" measurement derives from many decades ago when men wore high-waisted pants where the waist was a few inches smaller than the circumference around the hips, where waistlines are today. Men were also generally a lot fitter back then, too!
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Forces women to go to store to try on, stay there longer to find a good fit. Ensure makeup, perfumes, bags/accessories, and jewelry are always in eyeshot of the women's clothing racks and along the entry/exit paths.
It's not woman-exclusive and also the companies deciding the sizing are not the same as the companies running department stores (for large clothing brands these days, online shopping in their own store would be optimal, since retailers take a large cut).
It's mainly that making sure sizes are actually the same costs more money than just going with whatever comes out, and it's hard to make purchasing decisions based on size consistency once a large amount of brands do this.
