old shows with important lesbian/bisexual women?
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?wrote last edited by [email protected]The Legend of Korra.
I wouldn't call it 'LGBT focused,' but it paved the way for LGBTQ in all of western animation. It's not too anime in spite of its style, and the lead character is bi. And awesome, and hilarious:
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The Wire. Don't want to spoil it by saying which one, but a key character turns out to be a lesbian.
I hate the notion that The Wire counts as an old show!
Isn't it made clear from nearly the beginning that this certain person is openly lesbian?
Overall, I really like how the show deals with it's LGBT characters. It's just matter of fact. Even the one little reveal of a certain secondary character is just there and gone, just a little detail on them not necessarily a defining part of their persona within the confines of the story.
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Xena the Warrior Princess (1995-2001)
IIRC Saturday Night Live did a pretty funny sketch to wink and nod about it.
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The Legend of Korra.
I wouldn't call it 'LGBT focused,' but it paved the way for LGBTQ in all of western animation. It's not too anime in spite of its style, and the lead character is bi. And awesome, and hilarious:
It's a bit much to call the longing gaze at the end of the last episode of season 4 evidence that Korra is bi. The comics confirm it, but the show itself doesn't. And wow, legend of Korra is over 10 years old? I must be old
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It's a bit much to call the longing gaze at the end of the last episode of season 4 evidence that Korra is bi. The comics confirm it, but the show itself doesn't. And wow, legend of Korra is over 10 years old? I must be old
wrote last edited by [email protected]It’s a bit much to call the longing gaze at the end of the last episode of season 4 evidence that Korra is bi.
Yeah. The showrunners had to push hard just to get that though; its kinda a piece of history (alongside Steven Universe) that allowed stuff like Hazbin, Harley Quinn or She-Ra to even exist.
And at least there was some chemistry.
And wow, legend of Korra is over 10 years old? I must be old
Yeah...
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?Skins UK attempted to deal with every topic they could get their hands on, including lesbianism (and homophobia iirc), with the drama turned up to 11.
I don't know how it holds up today, but back then as a dramatic teen myself I loved it.
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If you are interested in learning about queer representation on TV there's a great YouTube channel from Matt Baume who talks about the history of it. He also wrote a book about it: Hi Honey I'm Homo
If you haven't looking into it there was a surprisingly a lot of good representation in the 70s. This all dropped off in the 80s because of Reagan.
This all dropped off in the 80s because of Reagan.
This can be said about so many things…
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Isn't it made clear from nearly the beginning that this certain person is openly lesbian?
Overall, I really like how the show deals with it's LGBT characters. It's just matter of fact. Even the one little reveal of a certain secondary character is just there and gone, just a little detail on them not necessarily a defining part of their persona within the confines of the story.
Is it as early as that? I could have sworn it was at least 3 or 4 episodes in. Been a while since I watched it though... [tingles with anticipation]
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Is it as early as that? I could have sworn it was at least 3 or 4 episodes in. Been a while since I watched it though... [tingles with anticipation]
wrote last edited by [email protected]FWIW, Cheryl appears in episode 1. I haven't watched the first season in a couple years so can't remember if it's made explicit or left to the audience to fill in the blanks.
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?The way you phrased that means Friends counts.
Carol, Ross' lesbian ex-wife, is surprisingly important to the show. Her divorcing him because she realizes she's a lesbian is the first actual plot point established in the show about 2 minutes into the pilot, and her name is spoken before any of the six main characters' names, and even before Rachel appears on screen. Sets up years of plot lines about Ross' character, being divorced, the emotional fallout, raising a child in a broken home, and it sets up Ross and Rachel as a whole thing.
Relevant lesbian character in a show that is really good or older than 10 years. Carol from Friends.
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FWIW, Cheryl appears in episode 1. I haven't watched the first season in a couple years so can't remember if it's made explicit or left to the audience to fill in the blanks.
Yeah, you're quite right, not sure why I thought it was later on.
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Babylon 5 has two women start a relationship... sort of.
They set up a frienship that was supposed to turn into a romantic relationship, but one of them left the show, cutting that subplot short. They still try to work it in, as the last couple episodes before the character exit heavily imply they are romantically/sexually involved, but nothing is explicitly confirmed until the next season when the remaining character briefly opens up about having loved the now absent character.
It's not much, but it's still pretty big for the early to mid 90s.
I kinda wonder where that was planned to go if Andrea Thompson hadn't quit the show. All of the rogue telepath/underground railroad/badass black eyes stuff/...Byron, I guess? stuff was supposed to be Talia, who's powers had been enhanced by that boyfriend guy of hers, Ironheart or whatever his name was. "See you in a million years." Except they had to replace her with Lyta, who had spent her time away being touched by Vorlons.
So Lyta got most of Talia's part...except she and Ivanova weren't involved, Ivanova moved onto another doomed relationship with Marcus. What were they going to do with Talia and Susan if Andrea Thompson hadn't quit the show?
Was the recording of her personality from before she and Susan had gotten together, meaning Susan's feelings were now unrequited?
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?6 feet under has one of the main characters who is living a gay marital life.
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I kinda wonder where that was planned to go if Andrea Thompson hadn't quit the show. All of the rogue telepath/underground railroad/badass black eyes stuff/...Byron, I guess? stuff was supposed to be Talia, who's powers had been enhanced by that boyfriend guy of hers, Ironheart or whatever his name was. "See you in a million years." Except they had to replace her with Lyta, who had spent her time away being touched by Vorlons.
So Lyta got most of Talia's part...except she and Ivanova weren't involved, Ivanova moved onto another doomed relationship with Marcus. What were they going to do with Talia and Susan if Andrea Thompson hadn't quit the show?
Was the recording of her personality from before she and Susan had gotten together, meaning Susan's feelings were now unrequited?
And it's even more complicated by the fact that Talia was already the replacement for Lyta. And that the revelation about her being a sleeper was never meant to happen unless she left. Oddly enough, that exit was actually recycling the plan for Takashima had she made it past the pilot, only she got replaced... by Susan.
Plus there's Garibaldi. His interest in Talia mirrors Zach's interest in Lyta. Garibaldi's interest is never resolved because of Talia's exit. That they tried to reestablish that idea with Zach and Lyta implies there was a plan. Given where things go with Garibaldi and telepaths (including Lyta) that might have been very interesting.
Instead, Zach's interest gets folded into the Byron plot. But Byron is also a late addition caused by the whole cancelation and uncancelation around season 5. If they hadn't lost multiple cast members and rushed key plotlines to fit them into season 4, things would have probably been very different.
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And it's even more complicated by the fact that Talia was already the replacement for Lyta. And that the revelation about her being a sleeper was never meant to happen unless she left. Oddly enough, that exit was actually recycling the plan for Takashima had she made it past the pilot, only she got replaced... by Susan.
Plus there's Garibaldi. His interest in Talia mirrors Zach's interest in Lyta. Garibaldi's interest is never resolved because of Talia's exit. That they tried to reestablish that idea with Zach and Lyta implies there was a plan. Given where things go with Garibaldi and telepaths (including Lyta) that might have been very interesting.
Instead, Zach's interest gets folded into the Byron plot. But Byron is also a late addition caused by the whole cancelation and uncancelation around season 5. If they hadn't lost multiple cast members and rushed key plotlines to fit them into season 4, things would have probably been very different.
It's an interesting study in TV show design, isn't it?
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?wrote last edited by [email protected]Station 19 started in 2018, almost old enough, I thought it was really good, of you like fire fighter procedural dramas. Had strong gay, lesbian and bisexual characters. Kind of a spin off of greys anatomy.
911 Lone Star, came out in 2020, three gay men and a trans man, I don’t think there were any lesbians, also a fire fighter drama.
Greys Anatomy, 20 years old and still going, one lesbian and one bisexual main character (I’m only at season 10, can’t speak to it past that).
Madam Secretary, came out in 2014, had one lesbian character- not really a main character though.
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Station 19 started in 2018, almost old enough, I thought it was really good, of you like fire fighter procedural dramas. Had strong gay, lesbian and bisexual characters. Kind of a spin off of greys anatomy.
911 Lone Star, came out in 2020, three gay men and a trans man, I don’t think there were any lesbians, also a fire fighter drama.
Greys Anatomy, 20 years old and still going, one lesbian and one bisexual main character (I’m only at season 10, can’t speak to it past that).
Madam Secretary, came out in 2014, had one lesbian character- not really a main character though.
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Star Trek: Discovery is not old, but has great LGBTQ representation.
Take My Wife (2016) “A show about lesbians who are married, staying actual lesbians who are married, and no one gets breast cancer!” They have since divorced. Both main characters are stand up comics irl.
And speaking of stand up comics starting semi autobiographical sitcoms, One Mississippi (2015) is very good.
Tig Notaro.Speaking of Tig, the Handsome podcast with Fortune Fiemster and Mae Martin is great.
Speaking of Mae, Feel Good is not old, and we’ll not make you feel good, but it’s a semi autobiographical drama series about a bisexual comedian.
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Hi guys, do you know any shows with relevant lesbian or bisexual characters that are either really good, or just older than 10 years... (The show, not the characters)
Alternately, just some shows which are a little more LGBT focused than the "Standart"?Another anime suggestion would be RWBY. However I don’t want to explain it, if you’ve never seen it… it would be a big spoiler.
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Another anime suggestion would be RWBY. However I don’t want to explain it, if you’ve never seen it… it would be a big spoiler.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I wouldn't call RWBY a good example. First, it goes downhill after season 3. Second, the relationship you're referring to was only added in due to fans continually demanding it just from the two merely looking at each other in season 1.
And before you start to argue the second point: Monty Oum created the show. If you want a leg to stand on, go find evidence of him claiming the relationship was intended from the start. And please don't give me a quote from Miles Luna, he's the one that drove the show into the ground
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Roseanne had a lesbian couple in it. Roseanne's boss at the diner was also gay, but I don't remember if they ever introduced his partner.
He married the guy who played his co-host on fernwood tonight
