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Hard disagree. The US is cooked. Arguably it's been cooked since the election, but there was a world in which the US public banded together and blocked the regime from taking any effective action. But now that Trump has consolidated power and set all kinds of precedents that fascism will be answered by nothing crickets and ass-licking, there's no stopping him through legal means anymore.
So please allow me to regard these "oh shit it that bad?? :((" people with the highest level of disgust and contempt. I don't owe fascist enablers anything. Just like I don't owe anything but contempt to the Germans who woke up a morning of 1936 and realized "hey guys maybe we fucked it".
Right, you give up so you then play directly into their hands by enabling the left divide. You've become another fascist enabler.
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I read people are doing it because they (incorrectly) think that LLM’s can’t be trained with their “gibberish”
wrote last edited by [email protected]Now I wish OP actually responded to my comment because now I have a handful of theories with no answer. I am leaning towards them importing a different letter into their English keyboard that's now autocorrecting or something.
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Just because it’s arguable doesn’t mean I’m arguing that. Besides, my point was more intended to mean that the symbol used there is correct for the sound that is being conveyed (and I wanted an excuse to share information I thought was interesting.)
Also, smfh, spoilers dude, Beowulf literally just came out
It's just the start of it, no spoilers.
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I want to learn more
If the point is that using thorn (þ) then we should also expect the use of anglo saxon runes.
the rest of the text is a transliteration of the opening of beowulf (back?) into runes. Although navy seals copypasta would also have been a stupid gag to do as well.
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Fascism out in the open? Best I can do is a Disney boycott.
-gun loving Americans
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I think the grace you are extending is admirable. That said, I personally know people who I've been explaining this to and have sent articles to. If you go back far enough in my comment history I commented on a post about a person who teaches about fascism at a prestigious university leaving the US due to fascism. I mentioned sending that article to people who were still doubting. The fact of the matter is that people will only see what they want to see. Every day I tell myself I'm chipping away at the blindness, but I don't have any evidence to support that. It's been months, if not years counting from the start of his first run. Whatever does the trick is great, but some people's brains are just not willing to see it. They'll admit he's bad and they would never vote for him, but a fascist? Cue hemming and hawing. It's like that meme from Westworld. I really do try to extend grace because the "it couldn't happen here", or American exceptionalism, or whatever else obviously runs deep, but I can say from personal experience it's not always the lack of information. Some people really just don't want to see what's right in front of them. It's unfortunately a very well documented part of the human experience.
"It can't happen here" when it has happened and it keeps happening.
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Yeah that's frustrating. I think some world views are just too ingrained. Like some phrase or idea is just so true that it's considered an axiom rather than a conclusion.
I've learned I'm in quite the minority believing that folks don't have as much control over their beliefs as we think they do. Or especially the application of that idea. I don't think it is someone's fault that they are racist. And I don't think they need to have magically realized how important it is to try and be informed. Who (that they'd listen to) is going to tell them to do that? Their conservative parent's? Their conservative friends? The conservatives they listen to online?
It's a tough nut to crack. I think folks get frustrated with it and want to blame someone for things not working.
I do want to say that I see all that frustration and anger is very very very valid. People are getting harmed by these beliefs. I'm also sorry that trying to educate folks has been so tough in your case.
I think part of the frustration is that we've convinced ourselves that humans run on logic. I blame the Romans. I'm probably wrong on placing that blame.
May we all find the empathy you're extending. It's truly a daily struggle. Regardless, blaming the Romans is always a good move, so I'm on board there. Down with the Romans!
Best of luck with it all. Keep fighting the good fight.
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"It can't happen here" when it has happened and it keeps happening.
Yea, that's basically my whole point. People are so used to thinking that, they're unwilling to see what's happening around them for what it is. I don't think it makes them bad people, though obviously it can lead to bad outcomes, they're just struggling with things we all struggle with. But when I struggle with my own ignorance, or incuriosity, or cognitive dissonance it generally does not lead to enabling fascism, so I like to think. I hope that if it did people would not give up on attempting to educate and help me. People are flawed creatures and unfortunately our society and technology have far outpaced what we can be reasonably capable of understanding or reasoning through instinctively. I hope things get better, but I don't see that happening without people really taking the time to educate others and meet them where they're at.
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I swear I did not thought I would see, in my lifetime, the fall of the American Empire, and so fast and so far from where it once stand. As a non american this it makes me sad that the people could not see this coming and now it's too far gone.
A great example to the world that we should never lower our guns because evil is just one election away
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May we all find the empathy you're extending. It's truly a daily struggle. Regardless, blaming the Romans is always a good move, so I'm on board there. Down with the Romans!
Best of luck with it all. Keep fighting the good fight.
Thanks for the encouragement. I usually get push back on these ideas, so it really gives me motivation hearing you say all that.
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I'm all for people waking up to it when they do. This isn't too late, but it would have been nice of they would have listened and seen the signs earlier. We could have had a larger and possibly more effective resistance movement.
However, we didn't really have much of a resistance effort then and more people would have only help so much. And having liberals join us at anytime would have been difficult to integrate because we barely know how to get along with people who agree with us. Liberals have fundamental issues with our insights in other areas.
Frankly, we don't know how to integrate liberals into a leftist resistence. We don't have much of a resistence beyond yelling at each other online. Sadly, we were never prepared for a authoritarian transition. And honestly, not sure when we were suppose to.
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I promise you that guy probably doesn't actually care if we're in fascism as long as he's safe, well fed, and mildly entertained. He will not put his balls on the table to fight fascism. He might be annoyed that his late night cable slop has been disrupted, but that's it.
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Fascists"The important thing is, we own the libs"
They will never stop being this way.
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I'm all for people waking up to it when they do. This isn't too late, but it would have been nice of they would have listened and seen the signs earlier. We could have had a larger and possibly more effective resistance movement.
However, we didn't really have much of a resistance effort then and more people would have only help so much. And having liberals join us at anytime would have been difficult to integrate because we barely know how to get along with people who agree with us. Liberals have fundamental issues with our insights in other areas.
Frankly, we don't know how to integrate liberals into a leftist resistence. We don't have much of a resistence beyond yelling at each other online. Sadly, we were never prepared for a authoritarian transition. And honestly, not sure when we were suppose to.
Now i'm no christian, but whatever jesus gave us this had fire in his belly. someone get him some wine that is not hygienic.
the this in question so you don't have to click through unless you want:
::: spoiler The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
Matthieu 20 vv1-16, NIV“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
“About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went.
“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
“‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
“When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
“The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
“But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
:::waking up is like planting trees. best time was 20 years ago. second best time is today. reward doesn't change.
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I wasn't able to edit my post but I wanted to post an addendum so I deleted it and now I'm reposting it with the addendum and a bunch of more angry ranting:
I promise you that guy probably doesn’t actually care if we’re in fascism as long as he’s safe, well fed, and mildly entertained. He will not put his balls on the table to fight fascism. He might be annoyed that his late night cable slop has been disrupted, but that’s it.
To be clear, he doesn't owe us anything either. He doesn't owe us suicidal devotion to a socialist revolution against the fascists. And you would be unhinged and legitimately an immoral sociopath to think otherwise. Liberal normies do not owe us devotion to political awareness. No one chooses to be born. No one owes their lives to a cause. Rage and froth at the mouth about it all you want.
They voted for democrats, and they did not even really owe anyone even that. We could have avoided this. We could have been fighting against a liberal president. We could have built off that. Instead now we're stuck in defense yet again and we are simply out of time. Congratulations.
And no, I wont get over it, suck the shit out of my asshole. I want good things world make no mistake, and I still feel tinges of hope when I see the Trump presidency stumble and fuck up. With hope that maybe the world can heal eventually to something that's not intolerable, perhaps merely just mildly bad. But there is this meta-awareness of resentment overlaid on top of even that because we should not be here and we did not need to be here. And even after when the world has healed.
Even if it heal to a miraculous degree. Maybe we live in a fucking utopia at the end of this: still fuck you. I'll be an elderly man or dead. The prime of my life wasted existing in a toxic miserable slog of a period of time because of a stupid political larpers and weak liberals couldn't stop fucking bickering with each other and I have to stare into the abyss of people's suffering and pain caused by this administration. And let be clear: Its not even my own pain or death. I'm living a materially better life than like 90% of you probably, but my sense of pride in my humanity is fucking dead. Everything I indulge in covered in a grey smog of "Hey I bet a bunch of Africans are going to unnecessarily starve to death because we did not like Harris enough to prevent Trump from cutting USAID haha ok enjoy your sci-fi book buddy"
Its fucking inescapable now. AGHAGHGA
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The coal mine was literally converted into a canary processing facility like a decade or two ago, by now. Which sounds bleak, but the bright side is so much delectable canary meat.
ah sweet succulent canaryflesh. remember folks:
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right, and so your proposed solution is to drive the people who had their realisation away, so the strategy of divide and conquer can continue to bear fruit? makes sense....
I don't owe anyone, anything. Least of all a "you tried" gold star for failing at even the bare minimum.
This random thread on one of the least conservative and most politically-engaged parts of the internet is not somewhere that I'm expecting to find or engage with one of these hypothetical schmucks. I'm merely venting my contempt for them.
There is no "divide and conquer" strategy by the way. That's just something you made up. Divided into what and what? The politically active left hasn't really changed course and everyone else just. doesn't. give. a. single. flying. fuck. that their country is being run into the ground by a literal demented fascist.
I don't know what the winning strategy is but it certainly doesn't involve convincing the people who are so far disconnected from reality that they just realized that Trump is a fascist. WW3 will break out long before anyone convinces even a single one of these clueless morons to take meaningful action.
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Why do we do this to ourselves!? Nothing is ever good enough. Can't it be enough that we agree with each other? Why are we gate keeping awareness?
For real. And not to mention, the Kimmel thing is like, a very serious step forward in a way other things have not been. I'm not saying other bad stuff hasn't happened, for sure. But it's not unreasonable for this to be the straw that breaks the camels back for some people. I hate Kimmel, always have, but it was surprising to see the media control phase unfolding so openly and suddenly. This IS crossing a new line.
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Fascism has been completely normal here for the past 400+ years.
USA is actively committing at least one genocide right now.
The president is a literal rapist, racist, fascist and failed casino owner.
Where do y'all think that you live?
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Right, you give up so you then play directly into their hands by enabling the left divide. You've become another fascist enabler.
The people who just now realized that Trump is a fascist aren't "on the left". They are NPCs. It doesn't matter what anyone says about them or to them, the world will literally end before these schmucks lift a finger to fight it.
The idea that "concerned centrists" exist to be convinced with Discourse not to support fascists is literal thought poison. Anyone who was going to resist Trump has already chosen sides. Everyone else is just a passive observer or a literal enabler (instead of whatever you think that term means).
Make no mistake, the time for discourse is over. Whether the American antifascists continue the fight illegally through direct action or bend over is up to them. Historical precedent (Italy, Germany, Russia, Turkey, China...) doesn't favor victory, but I would love to be proven wrong. However the idea that you're doing anything by appealing to the most politically disconnected's hearts and minds is laughable.
