Which PC to buy?
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It's the other way around:
X, Unless Y, then Zmeans that in the case of Y, Z is true. A similar grammatical example would beYou should work, Unless you're sick, then you should restThat seems to be how they meant it, so I'll chalk it up to misreading the context
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One thing I haven’t seen anyone mention yet is upgrade potential - on the intel system, you could move to an i7 or i9 from the same generation but you can’t get anything newer without replacing the motherboard as well. The amd one is AM5 and you’ll be able to pop a new CPU in for like the next six years - odds are good you’d want to upgrade the cpu by then anyway, so expect the amd option to save you the cost of a motherboard down the road. It also gives you a 750W psu rather than a 650, so there’s a higher chance you won’t have to replace that too on your next upgrade.
In terms of performance between the two, i’d actually expect the intel to be a marginally faster cpu and have better connectivity (AMD’s 8000 series is a bit weird compared to their 7000 or 9000 series options, and lack some pcie lanes compared to a standard gaming cpu). This isn’t a super relevant difference for gaming, but still worth knowing for comparing the computers. On the GPU front, which is the most important part for games, the 9070 is way better and this is probably where the price difference comes from. I’d expect the amd system to be noticeably better for gaming, though honestly the price to performance between the two computers probably tracks pretty well.
The other option worth considering is building a pc, which will let you pick a better cpu, MUCH better ram, a faster + more reliable ssd, and your choice of case vs either of these two pcs. I don’t know what the price of that would look like in your market, so maybe not worthwhile, but I’d def recommend checking out the option at least because both of these prebuilts are skimping a little on ram and probably on the mobo/psu/cooling as well.
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Why these choices in particular?
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16GB is probably fine for most games right now but there are already some games where you will start to notice some drawbacks.
A game like Cyberpunk has a minimum RAM requirement of 12GB, but features in the game can cause it to eat more than that. And someone playing on PC may also want to have things like Discord streaming and a web browser going at the same time which can further eat into the budget.
Better to have more than you need IMO and future-proof a little bit, and RAM is not that expensive.
Fair. But since RAM is one of the easiest parts to upgrade you don't need to future-proof it much imo. Just add a stick when it's cheaper
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One thing I haven’t seen anyone mention yet is upgrade potential - on the intel system, you could move to an i7 or i9 from the same generation but you can’t get anything newer without replacing the motherboard as well. The amd one is AM5 and you’ll be able to pop a new CPU in for like the next six years - odds are good you’d want to upgrade the cpu by then anyway, so expect the amd option to save you the cost of a motherboard down the road. It also gives you a 750W psu rather than a 650, so there’s a higher chance you won’t have to replace that too on your next upgrade.
In terms of performance between the two, i’d actually expect the intel to be a marginally faster cpu and have better connectivity (AMD’s 8000 series is a bit weird compared to their 7000 or 9000 series options, and lack some pcie lanes compared to a standard gaming cpu). This isn’t a super relevant difference for gaming, but still worth knowing for comparing the computers. On the GPU front, which is the most important part for games, the 9070 is way better and this is probably where the price difference comes from. I’d expect the amd system to be noticeably better for gaming, though honestly the price to performance between the two computers probably tracks pretty well.
The other option worth considering is building a pc, which will let you pick a better cpu, MUCH better ram, a faster + more reliable ssd, and your choice of case vs either of these two pcs. I don’t know what the price of that would look like in your market, so maybe not worthwhile, but I’d def recommend checking out the option at least because both of these prebuilts are skimping a little on ram and probably on the mobo/psu/cooling as well.
The amd one is AM5 and you’ll be able to pop a new CPU in for like the next six years
AM5 will lose support in 2027 unless it's extended further, no? Six years from today is probably an overstatement, but I still agree with the general sentiment if we know now that there could be good upgrade options for the future.
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Also Intel CPU's have a reputation for being space heaters
wrote last edited by [email protected]Even their latest gens? I thought they started heavily investing in e-cores to reduce power consumption (heat).
In general though, their CPUs seem to have had a lot of issues recently and they look to be in a rough situation right now.
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16GB is probably fine for most games right now but there are already some games where you will start to notice some drawbacks.
A game like Cyberpunk has a minimum RAM requirement of 12GB, but features in the game can cause it to eat more than that. And someone playing on PC may also want to have things like Discord streaming and a web browser going at the same time which can further eat into the budget.
Better to have more than you need IMO and future-proof a little bit, and RAM is not that expensive.
Yeah, 16gb is the minimum requirement for a pc nowadays I'd say. If you can get it ofc.
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The amd one is AM5 and you’ll be able to pop a new CPU in for like the next six years
AM5 will lose support in 2027 unless it's extended further, no? Six years from today is probably an overstatement, but I still agree with the general sentiment if we know now that there could be good upgrade options for the future.
Honestly I’m basing this more on the fact amd is STILL out here releasing new am4 cpus than on their stated timelines, they just don’t know when to give up on a socket no matter what they claim (not complaining tho)
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Fair. But since RAM is one of the easiest parts to upgrade you don't need to future-proof it much imo. Just add a stick when it's cheaper
Unless you're in the US, then now might be the best time to buy electronics before prices continue to rise, haha.
I laugh because I'll cry if I don't.
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Honestly I’m basing this more on the fact amd is STILL out here releasing new am4 cpus than on their stated timelines, they just don’t know when to give up on a socket no matter what they claim (not complaining tho)
You are right, I hope their track record continues, AM4 has been amazing.
I'm only slightly worried myself because I believe a few years ago they tried to silently drop 5000 series support from b450 boards or something like that, but then reversed that decision after backlash. Makes me think they could try that again, but so far I think they have course corrected successfully. Maybe I'm being slightly pessimistic by thinking they'll try something similar again.
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Even their latest gens? I thought they started heavily investing in e-cores to reduce power consumption (heat).
In general though, their CPUs seem to have had a lot of issues recently and they look to be in a rough situation right now.
I'm not certain. They may have fixed the overheating. I still think it's worse performance than a similar spec AMD processor.
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Build it yourself
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Even their latest gens? I thought they started heavily investing in e-cores to reduce power consumption (heat).
In general though, their CPUs seem to have had a lot of issues recently and they look to be in a rough situation right now.
Especially their new ones. They're better at generating heat than they are at executing code.
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A mix of both preferably - AMD cpu + Nvidia GPU. 32GB of RAM as well.
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A mix of both preferably - AMD cpu + Nvidia GPU. 32GB of RAM as well.
Nvidia GPU
It's been an hour, I'm surprised nobody has jumped down your throat about this.
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AMD has great Linux support.
And it's not even close. FOSS developers who have to deal with Nvidia on anything seem to hate it with a passion.
