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'We Are Witnessing a New Brain Drain' as Scientists Flee America for France

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  • sunshine@lemmy.caS [email protected]
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    Take me with you, I'm neither an average fighter nor a brilliant scientist, but you can't live a trans-sister to die in this wasteland of burgers and guns!

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    • circav@lemmy.caC [email protected]

      Why would France want American garbage.

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      People who call scientists garbage, are garbage...

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        People who call scientists garbage, are garbage...

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        American scientists voted for this. Or they stayed home. Either way they should stay and work to fix their country.

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        • circav@lemmy.caC [email protected]

          American scientists voted for this. Or they stayed home. Either way they should stay and work to fix their country.

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          Since when do scientists make up a majority of the population?

          Are there any statistics on what scientists voted for?

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            American scientists voted for this. Or they stayed home. Either way they should stay and work to fix their country.

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            American scientists voted for this. Or they stayed home.

            Just stop with these non sensical comments. They're exhausting.

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              Lol calling this brain drain is ridiculousnin my opinion. Nazi germany didntnhave brain drain, they also removed the peoplenwho didnt think like they wanted them to.

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                Interesting. How easy is it to stay over there if you go to school? Are the student visas hard to get?

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                I have to line up a job before I graduate because I don't qualify for like a "just graduated give me some time to settle" visa, so that may be difficult. I don't really know if the student visa is hard to get. I need to be accepted to school first then I can use that to make my visa application, so the timing is going to be pretty rushed. I'm going to have to set up moving and living, basically be in standstill for a bit waiting to see if I can pull the trigger, then hope the visa clears

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                  Come on over, we have plenty of beer, Kollege

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                  I want to live in Germany! I got skills and would be happy to study abroad

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                    Lol calling this brain drain is ridiculousnin my opinion. Nazi germany didntnhave brain drain, they also removed the peoplenwho didnt think like they wanted them to.

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                    Nazi Germany absolutely did have brain drain though? A lot of the scientists working on the manhattan project were german, but fled the country/were forced out.

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                      Lol calling this brain drain is ridiculousnin my opinion. Nazi germany didntnhave brain drain, they also removed the peoplenwho didnt think like they wanted them to.

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                      The Nazis literally lost Einstein.

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                        I'm doing my part fleeing to Sweden, granted I'm a programmer and game dev so not a scientist. I'm done letting the US profit off my skills though

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                        Don't forget to get rid of your US citizenship or they'll still profit off your work.

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                          American scientists voted for this. Or they stayed home. Either way they should stay and work to fix their country.

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                          You know that a lot of scientists in the US aren't even American. Because the USA used to be the world's best place to do science, that's why a lot of scientists moved there. These people are now moving in the opposite direction.

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                            You don't need asylum if you are a legal resident. Asylum is the most insecure form of permit, especially in Germany, where the society is currently getting more and more hostile to migration, including labeling countries like Afghanistan as "safe countries of origin" and organizing deportations with the Taliban.

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                            Hence the “joke” part….

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                              Reverse the brain drain of the 1930s.

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                              and 1940s

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                                I feel like the amount of stupid per unit volume in America is indeed increasing.

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                                But decreasing per kg 🙂

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                                  The low prospects of jobs for undergrad who don't have enough experience for grad schools also turns people completely away from being a scientists to, unless you have research published or significant experience in lab work prior to graduating you won't get far, it's also harder to get into them health, like

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                                    Nazi Germany absolutely did have brain drain though? A lot of the scientists working on the manhattan project were german, but fled the country/were forced out.

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                                    But if you force someone out how is that brain drain? I thought it meant when lower income/quality of life countries "loose" their "smart people" to countries with better living standards. I wouldnt refer to it as brain drain if you do it on purpose. But it seems like i have the wrong definition for the word. Thing is it doesnt really matter, i like that all the smart people from the us are moving to europe, we just have to grab this chance and rise up in industries dominated by fascists like spacex. Btw what is the obsession with space travel among fascist leaders? Sorru if i rambled for a bit too long.

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                                      Not OP but like come on, look outside - the country is a roadside attraction. I wouldnt raise my kids there under any circumstance...so I guess safety is a consideration.

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                                      Yeah I know but didn't want to assume. Some people have family roots for example.
                                      I do work with US colleagues and not all feel the need to move countries for example, which I find very interesting because it sure looks like a shit show to me. I'm not based in the US myself.

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                                        Lots of reasons over the years but the most immediately pressing is I'm trans so if the US starts black bagging people I'm high up there on the list

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                                        Ah gotcha yeah that makes a lot of sense! I hope that kind of bigotry dies out again soon but doesn't look like its slowing down.
                                        I hope you can feel you can feel safe and be more like your true self now.

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                                          Makes me wonder where all that money is going? I mean they must be making billions in those funding cuts. Are they all gonna funnel that money into Russia and tech oligarch's pockets?

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