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For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime.

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  • ? Guest

    Defenseless is a good word, it seems like we're all just waiting for a savior to show up and rescue us. It doesn't help that a large amount of Americans see protest as pointless right now. What it feels like is the bystander effect on a national level.

    The worst part is how many people either support or just brush it off.

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    Americans see protest as pointless right now.

    Americans have seen a generation of peaceful protests that were crushed and villified. Anti-WTO, Anti-Iraq War, Occupy Wall Street, George Floyd, etc; all failed to achieve any of their stated goals.

    And now that the fascists have taken control, peaceful protest is even less effective. For peaceful protest to succeed your opponent must have empathy, and fascists have none.

    The last protest movement that accomplished something substantial was the civil rights movement. It was not peaceful, it was militant. I think we need a modern Black Panther Party.

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      Just start by protesting, protecting, and block them from doing this shit when possible.
      If you go directly full terrorist mode, it means they won...

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      They already won, are you from another species? Are you watching this?

      full terrorist mode

      You mean... like these fuckers?

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        She wrote something the administration didn't like.

        What was written?

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        She expressed anti-Palestinian genocide sentiments.

        In New America that gets you disappeared by masked thugs.

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          She wrote something the administration didn't like.

          What was written?

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          https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj

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            They already won, are you from another species? Are you watching this?

            full terrorist mode

            You mean... like these fuckers?

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            They won a (ok a bit more) battle, not the war! Move your ass, rebuild your democracy and add safeguards so you never let such hateful, retarded people in this position again.

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              For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime. She didn't overstay a visa, she didn't protest illegally. She wrote something the administration didn't like.

              For that, she was arrested by 8 masked officers in the middle of the street, in broad daylight. She was thrown in the back on an unmarked SUV. She's received no legal representation. No trial. Not even charges, because again, she committed no crime.

              Americans, you realize you're watching the death of your rights and the rule of law, right? You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless? There is no longer any guardrail between you and an El Salvadoran prison camp. In something that reminds me very much of Stalin, an accusation is now a conviction.

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              She also had her visa revoked so can no longer legally stay in the USA to complete her studies, or enter again. This was because she wrote an op-ed disapproving of Israel's genocide.

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                Americans see protest as pointless right now.

                Americans have seen a generation of peaceful protests that were crushed and villified. Anti-WTO, Anti-Iraq War, Occupy Wall Street, George Floyd, etc; all failed to achieve any of their stated goals.

                And now that the fascists have taken control, peaceful protest is even less effective. For peaceful protest to succeed your opponent must have empathy, and fascists have none.

                The last protest movement that accomplished something substantial was the civil rights movement. It was not peaceful, it was militant. I think we need a modern Black Panther Party.

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                For peaceful protests to succeed they must attract more people to the cause and gather momentum. Protests now would be useful for bringing people together and emboldening people to resist what's going on. They are a step in building a movement. To say "protests alone don't change things" misses this point.

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                  Humans are the same everywhere. Political structures and cultures are not, but humans have evolved for much longer.

                  Which is why when you (if you do) think about the EU being some land of honey, it would be wise to also think "what am I missing if I don't see similar problems there".

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                  I agree. We had over 20% far right votes here in Germany recently. Russian propaganda is going strong, too. Somehow I hope that watching the rapid disassembly of the US under Trump should open the eyes of some of them, but I am grasping at straws here.

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                  • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                    You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless?

                    We have guns. Lots of guns.

                    Everyone needs to arm themselves and train.

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                    Your guns don't compare to the guns the government use. Nor do you have the numbers to resist even if equally armed. If the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote, actually voted for for Harris, you wouldn't be in this mess but there you are.

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                      They won a (ok a bit more) battle, not the war! Move your ass, rebuild your democracy and add safeguards so you never let such hateful, retarded people in this position again.

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                      Black Panthers open carried.

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                      • oderus@lemmy.worldO [email protected]

                        Your guns don't compare to the guns the government use. Nor do you have the numbers to resist even if equally armed. If the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote, actually voted for for Harris, you wouldn't be in this mess but there you are.

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                        What do you mean about numbers? The state and it's guards are always massively outnumbered by the people, it's just a question of organization.

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                          Your guns don't compare to the guns the government use. Nor do you have the numbers to resist even if equally armed. If the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote, actually voted for for Harris, you wouldn't be in this mess but there you are.

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                          Yeah well, ask the Afghans or Vietnamese. Turns out you don't need to have the same fire power to drag your opponent through the mud.

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                            Yeah well, ask the Afghans or Vietnamese. Turns out you don't need to have the same fire power to drag your opponent through the mud.

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                            The Vietnamese had some of the greatest strategic minds in their history leading the fight against the Americans.

                            So far, it doesn't seem like there's a single leader for a resistance in the U.S., and certainly none as skilled in tactics.

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                              Your guns don't compare to the guns the government use. Nor do you have the numbers to resist even if equally armed. If the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote, actually voted for for Harris, you wouldn't be in this mess but there you are.

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                              and if we had a time machine we could fix all this. STFU. GUNS.

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                                For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime. She didn't overstay a visa, she didn't protest illegally. She wrote something the administration didn't like.

                                For that, she was arrested by 8 masked officers in the middle of the street, in broad daylight. She was thrown in the back on an unmarked SUV. She's received no legal representation. No trial. Not even charges, because again, she committed no crime.

                                Americans, you realize you're watching the death of your rights and the rule of law, right? You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless? There is no longer any guardrail between you and an El Salvadoran prison camp. In something that reminds me very much of Stalin, an accusation is now a conviction.

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                                Also, this is just the rehearsal until they go for political opponents with American citizenship.

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                                • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.comT [email protected]

                                  What do you mean about numbers? The state and it's guards are always massively outnumbered by the people, it's just a question of organization.

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                                  But how many people are willing to risk their life without immediate danger to themselves (yet)?

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                                    Defenseless is a good word, it seems like we're all just waiting for a savior to show up and rescue us. It doesn't help that a large amount of Americans see protest as pointless right now. What it feels like is the bystander effect on a national level.

                                    The worst part is how many people either support or just brush it off.

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                                    There have been weekly protests of this shit across the country since the asshole was elected. It’s not helping. And even the “opposition party” is capitulating to the bullshit. What else are we supposed to do?

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                                      For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime. She didn't overstay a visa, she didn't protest illegally. She wrote something the administration didn't like.

                                      For that, she was arrested by 8 masked officers in the middle of the street, in broad daylight. She was thrown in the back on an unmarked SUV. She's received no legal representation. No trial. Not even charges, because again, she committed no crime.

                                      Americans, you realize you're watching the death of your rights and the rule of law, right? You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless? There is no longer any guardrail between you and an El Salvadoran prison camp. In something that reminds me very much of Stalin, an accusation is now a conviction.

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                                      What the fuck do we do? I’m in a hyperliberal city in one of the few blue states left. We are relatively safe for now. I make a comfortable amount of money that I use to support my wife and friends who sometimes may not have necessities. I cannot risk my job by taking every day off to protest. Protests also seem meaningless to go to for me in my city because they’re happening in a safer city.

                                      I am donating to the ACLU every month, but idk what else we can be doing. What can we be doing?

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                                      • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                        You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless?

                                        We have guns. Lots of guns.

                                        Everyone needs to arm themselves and train.

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                                        I suspect your government would love it if you started shooting. They'd declare martial law. Goodbye elections, hello police state.

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                                          What the fuck do we do? I’m in a hyperliberal city in one of the few blue states left. We are relatively safe for now. I make a comfortable amount of money that I use to support my wife and friends who sometimes may not have necessities. I cannot risk my job by taking every day off to protest. Protests also seem meaningless to go to for me in my city because they’re happening in a safer city.

                                          I am donating to the ACLU every month, but idk what else we can be doing. What can we be doing?

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                                          Organize armed protests. Connect in your neighborhood, so if this shit goes down, and it will start going down in your neighborhood soon enough, people can show up, free the victim and bog down the attackers.

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