Could China-Europe tensions be easing with a flurry of French and EU diplomacy?
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In 'The Foundation Of Geopolitcs' by Aleksandr Dugin, he says
The People's Republic of China, which represents an extreme geopolitical danger as an ideological enemy to the independent Russian Federation, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
The Ukraine war has forged a relationship between russia and china that the USA wants an end to.
Just trying to understand what's going on and Europe's geopolitical maneuvers.
You won't find what Trump is thinking by analyzing the works of Alexandr Dugin, nor the intentions of Europe/EU. Please don't read that extremist propaganda, it will not do you any good. He is probably clinically insane.
While Putin does like some of what he is writing, I am absolutely certain he is cherrypicking what he likes from it and ignores the rest. But Putin is probably also clinically insane, so that doesn't really help...
Also, Putin and by tradition Russia considers EVERYONE an existential enemy, unless they completely submit to Russia and Putin. The Russians have a saying: "Russia only has two allies, the army and the navy." That probably tells you everything you need to know.
What is more interesting to me is what China thinks of Russia and EU. If you can find a credible work on that, I'd be interested.
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We have to discuss everything, but there should be no content posted from any extremist right-wing (or left-wing) sources, no propaganda outlets, let alone if the governments behind actively threaten European security. China is the same unreliable and authoritarian dictatorship we have seen already before this Florida man took over across the Herring Pond. Such a source should not be posted imo.
It's one of the few English speaking sources from China. That fact alone makes it already clear that it is a propaganda outlet mostly aimed at foreigners, but if you are aware of that, it can be a legitimate source to see how the Chinese government wants to spin a certain topic in the eyes of a foreign audience.
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It's one of the few English speaking sources from China. That fact alone makes it already clear that it is a propaganda outlet mostly aimed at foreigners, but if you are aware of that, it can be a legitimate source to see how the Chinese government wants to spin a certain topic in the eyes of a foreign audience.
First, not all here are supposedly aware that this media outlet is propaganda, but even if so, there is no need for this garbage imo. And, second, the same user cited Alexandr Dugin, one of Putin's most derailed propaganda figures (who support Russia's invasion because, according to Dugin, all Ukrainians are 'nazis' - Dugin is one of the Russian figures from whom this and other repugnant slurs come from, used by Russia to justify the war).
That aside, you and me (together wirh a couple of others if I remember that right) had a discussion in another thread some time ago. Back then you, poVoq, argued to explicitly allow propaganda, so I am -unfortunately- not surprised here.
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First, not all here are supposedly aware that this media outlet is propaganda, but even if so, there is no need for this garbage imo. And, second, the same user cited Alexandr Dugin, one of Putin's most derailed propaganda figures (who support Russia's invasion because, according to Dugin, all Ukrainians are 'nazis' - Dugin is one of the Russian figures from whom this and other repugnant slurs come from, used by Russia to justify the war).
That aside, you and me (together wirh a couple of others if I remember that right) had a discussion in another thread some time ago. Back then you, poVoq, argued to explicitly allow propaganda, so I am -unfortunately- not surprised here.
The argument was more nuanced. Using moderation to suppress differing opinions (which, yes, tend to be influenced by propaganda), usually just results in people switching to pure propaganda bubbles, which is much worse.
Pointing out here in the comments that SCMP is a Chinese propaganda outlet is fine. That way even people unaware of it previously can come to their own conclusions.
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The argument was more nuanced. Using moderation to suppress differing opinions (which, yes, tend to be influenced by propaganda), usually just results in people switching to pure propaganda bubbles, which is much worse.
Pointing out here in the comments that SCMP is a Chinese propaganda outlet is fine. That way even people unaware of it previously can come to their own conclusions.
The argument was more nuanced.
'More nuanced'? You even got offensive as practically all others in this thread back then had a different opinion. People switch to pure propaganda bubbles anyway, whether or not you are explicitly fine with Chinese and Russian propaganda. There's is no excuse for that.
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The argument was more nuanced.
'More nuanced'? You even got offensive as practically all others in this thread back then had a different opinion. People switch to pure propaganda bubbles anyway, whether or not you are explicitly fine with Chinese and Russian propaganda. There's is no excuse for that.
I didn't get offensive, but yes I noticed a certain group-think here when it comes to such things. But that is why places like lemmy.ml that enforce similar group-think via moderation actions are worse than what we are trying to do here.
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I didn't get offensive, but yes I noticed a certain group-think here when it comes to such things. But that is why places like lemmy.ml that enforce similar group-think via moderation actions are worse than what we are trying to do here.
You are explicitly accepting here the worst of disinformation (in violation of the comm's rule, btw). And you have been offending people, just read your comments back then.
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You are explicitly accepting here the worst of disinformation (in violation of the comm's rule, btw). And you have been offending people, just read your comments back then.
There is a difference between propaganda (which is usually true but with omissions and spins), and "missinformation" (like for example posting false personal details about an attacker in the immediate aftermath to spurr racial hatred), and no the above is not "the worst of", but it seems the kind you especially don't like
And please don't make accusations without backing that up with actual links. I am not aware of offending anyone here in this community, and it certainly wasn't intentional.
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It's one of the few English speaking sources from China. That fact alone makes it already clear that it is a propaganda outlet mostly aimed at foreigners, but if you are aware of that, it can be a legitimate source to see how the Chinese government wants to spin a certain topic in the eyes of a foreign audience.
It’s one of the few English speaking sources from China.
China's Global Times is an English-language propaganda outlet in English. The Chinese Communist Party's news agency Xinhua publishes in English (as well as in German, French, and many other languages). And then there are many propaganda outlets in English and other languages in the world.
Sometimes these are openly influenced by China. The Chinese government has been spending billions of dollars (in the single-digit billions, if I recall correctly) over the last decade or so to establish a network of such propaganda outlets all across the globe (in English and other local languages), all of them collaborating with the so-called "International Communication Centers" inside China for fine-tuning Chinese anti-democratic narratives.
Other propaganda outlets are hiding their connections to the Chinese Communist Party, with the most prominent recently being probably "NewsBreak", once (or still?) the most downloaded US news app that in 2024 turned out being of Chinese origin and spreading AI generated 'fiction' and Beijing's propaganda.
Your statement is absolutely baseless and even downright naive if it comes from a moderator dealing with such content.
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It’s one of the few English speaking sources from China.
China's Global Times is an English-language propaganda outlet in English. The Chinese Communist Party's news agency Xinhua publishes in English (as well as in German, French, and many other languages). And then there are many propaganda outlets in English and other languages in the world.
Sometimes these are openly influenced by China. The Chinese government has been spending billions of dollars (in the single-digit billions, if I recall correctly) over the last decade or so to establish a network of such propaganda outlets all across the globe (in English and other local languages), all of them collaborating with the so-called "International Communication Centers" inside China for fine-tuning Chinese anti-democratic narratives.
Other propaganda outlets are hiding their connections to the Chinese Communist Party, with the most prominent recently being probably "NewsBreak", once (or still?) the most downloaded US news app that in 2024 turned out being of Chinese origin and spreading AI generated 'fiction' and Beijing's propaganda.
Your statement is absolutely baseless and even downright naive if it comes from a moderator dealing with such content.
Well, there is a huge difference between an officially state run news agency, a genuine Chinese source like the newspaper linked above (obviously not independent), and covert propaganda efforts.
Not seeing that difference is naive and group-think to ban anything with a relationship to a foreign govermment also doesn't help.
And anyways, this kind of propaganda is among the least worse, as it is pretty obvious and doesn't hide its intentions.
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