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  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

    So, sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?

    Because a lot of the time, it's weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.

    The dude has been in the driver's seat for pretty much every major deterioration of Google/alphabet for years.

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    Don't forget current Youtube CEO Neal Mohan and former Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki!

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      Showing how truly performative their big “ally” push was during the pandemic. All their BLM and diversity support was just as performative. Big corporations are just sycophantic monsters riding trends. Avoid them where possible.

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        True.

        Peertube has been hamstrung by a very poorly-made design decision early on.

        It's my understanding that peertube copies all of the content from hosts it federates with. That's a huge waste of storage and the main reason why most peertube instances hardly federate with anything.

        Instead, peertube developers should implement the option for servers to duplicate data, or simply load the data through a link to a server that hosts it.

        It's still young and they've done a pretty good job with everything except this fundamental flaw. Hopefully if enough people hear about this idea and promote it, we can see it implemented and then Peertube can really take off.

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        That's optional. You have to opt in to mirror a server.

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          Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.

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          What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?

          If it's free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.

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          • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

            Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene "anti-woke" trash.

            The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

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            The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?

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              We really should be working together to upload content from youtube to peertube instances.

              Don't ask for permission. Just do it. Civilly disobey.

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              And who is going to pay for the bandwidth and storage space on those peertube instances?

              I mean, I too want to get away from YouTube, but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.

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                The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?

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                dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock.

                Oh, so it's just wall street dick sucking and pretending the whole "market" isn't just a rigged game? Counts as right-wing slop to me.

                Is that the platforms fault?

                Considering we have a fuck-ton of evidence from research that it isn't just what other people watch that determines it: Yes, it is actually. Sorry these aren't fucking videos so that you'll actually pay attention to them.

                https://www.ucdavis.edu/curiosity/news/youtube-video-recommendations-lead-more-extremist-content-right-leaning-users-researchers

                https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3351095.3372879

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                • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                  PeerTube is just software. It's a decentralized network. It doesn't have to scale to that size. You can have a million servers handling the storage and streaming in a more efficient method and democratize the bandwidth.

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                  Who's paying to run a million servers?

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                  • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                    Maybe people could read more?

                    Nobody needs this endless "content" slop.

                    For real people need to get a grip if they can't survive without it. They're addicted.

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                    Horse shit.

                    Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn't all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it's easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.

                    Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don't like that format?

                    Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don't pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.

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                    • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                      Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene "anti-woke" trash.

                      The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

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                      Let me know if you find any of that trash on Nebula.

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                      • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                        Horse shit.

                        Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn't all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it's easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.

                        Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don't like that format?

                        Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don't pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.

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                        How about the blind and dyslexic

                        Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.

                        It's actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what's cheap than what is actually useful.

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                          And who is going to pay for the bandwidth and storage space on those peertube instances?

                          I mean, I too want to get away from YouTube, but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.

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                          The people who set up the instances usually also are responsible for paying to keep them active.

                          but it is going to be very difficult to convince people to pay for what YouTube gives away for free.

                          I mean, they're already there. Have you tried using Peertube?

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                          • roofuskit@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                            That's optional. You have to opt in to mirror a server.

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                            I don't think that's true.

                            It's my understanding that by federating, you are duplicating the data from the servers you federate with on your own.

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                            • missingno@fedia.ioM [email protected]

                              Who's paying to run a million servers?

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                              Same people that pay for lemmy. Us.

                              It doesn't take much to host peertube TBH. And with each peertube instance, the videos get easier to host. It scales very well with the current iteration of software.

                              The two biggest issues are actually not software related:

                              1. A platform is only as good as its users (creators and users who interact). Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
                              2. Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don't see it.

                              Im pretty happy with what it does NOW. I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube. I like my friends and family (and sometimes us weirdos) looking at my videos. And I like the slow trickle of people hosting their videos on say makertube, peertube.wtf, and other such platforms. They seem like really fun individuals and im having a blast.

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                              • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                Stop using youtube.

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                                If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn't replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.

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                                  Hosts and users who want their stuff available to their audience without YouTube's bullshit.

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                                    I don't think that's true.

                                    It's my understanding that by federating, you are duplicating the data from the servers you federate with on your own.

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                                    The server itself has the option to turn that off or on. And most dont turn that on. Its off by default.

                                    Source: I host a peertube instance.

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                                    • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                      How about the blind and dyslexic

                                      Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.

                                      It's actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what's cheap than what is actually useful.

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                                      Don't be disingenuous.

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                                        Same people that pay for lemmy. Us.

                                        It doesn't take much to host peertube TBH. And with each peertube instance, the videos get easier to host. It scales very well with the current iteration of software.

                                        The two biggest issues are actually not software related:

                                        1. A platform is only as good as its users (creators and users who interact). Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
                                        2. Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don't see it.

                                        Im pretty happy with what it does NOW. I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube. I like my friends and family (and sometimes us weirdos) looking at my videos. And I like the slow trickle of people hosting their videos on say makertube, peertube.wtf, and other such platforms. They seem like really fun individuals and im having a blast.

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                                        The two biggest issues are actually not software related

                                        I disagree, the biggest issues are related to discoverability, and most certainly software-related.

                                        Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.

                                        Not necessarily. They only need to agree to allow an instance to mirror their content, and possibly one day contribute something to it in the event that it becomes popular enough. For now, consent is really all that's required. The only revenue they're missing out on is AdSense.

                                        Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don't see it.

                                        Patreon is one of many different ways to generate revenue. Most popular Youtubers are diversifying in various ways. The most effective of which is creating their own products and using their channels to promote them. Affiliate links/codes is another way smaller creators can diversify.

                                        I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube.

                                        As always, with freedom comes abuse. Youtube has a lot of regulations that can be cumbersome but also can protect creators and users.

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                                        • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                          What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?

                                          If it's free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.

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                                          I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it's my cloud storage, my offsite backup.

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