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Yes, posh people are the ones using benches. And riding on the fancy seats on the bus. That's who it affects. Well reasoned.
They don't use the benches, but lord do they complain if they encounter a homeless person.
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Yah I love how places like Lemmy are packed to overflowing with "radical leftists" who scream murder at liberals and moderates and how broadly appealing progressive policies aren't going far enough to address [issue X].
Guys, we're getting literally murdered out there, figuratively and literally. If there was ever a time to start building larger coalitions, it's now. No, you're not getting everything you want. No, we're not having a revolution, we don't have the military. Yes, you will have to compromise. And if you hate that word because you think it means walking alongside someone you despise...
Tough shit.
Pick an issue, gather allies, overwhelm it, then repeat for the NEXT issue and realize nobody is coming, you may not see a better world in your lifetime, your immediate sense of resignation at this fact is manufactured. Get your shit together. Your personal problems are clouding your thinking.
They're winning because they don't recoil in horror at the idea of working towards mid-way goals or making deals they find distasteful, that's how they pushed the overton window off the fucking map.
But yeah, lets continue to fuss over if our flags represent enough people and if [popular content creator] said the word "retard" once, while our administration builds camps and readies for war for funsies.
edit: just because I'm ready to soak up hate on this, you all also need to make real friends. You don't build movements in discord, not ones that have impact at least. You are medicating your loneliness while the world burns outside. Get out and push through the discomfort of your introversion, your ADHD, your ASD, your sexual identity insecurity, your looks or your accent or WHATEVER it is that you think is keeping you from being social and building community. We lost because we're isolated. Online groups don't count. Don't reply to me, go outside.
Big tent liberalism is exactly what got you the anti-union, pro-war, pro-fracking, anti-immigrant democratic party of today. Every single time someone argues for speaking to a broader base it's used as an excuse to move further right. And it isn't working. Please, for the love of god, learn from the past three election cycles.
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https://apnews.com/article/california-newsom-homeless-61ebe5b2a732323989c8885899f8d929
For anyone saying that the democrats are bad for the homeless, please look at this.
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They don't use the benches, but lord do they complain if they encounter a homeless person.
So the "hostile architecture" doesn't really benefit them, does it?
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So the "hostile architecture" doesn't really benefit them, does it?
wrote last edited by [email protected]They (you) get the benefit of not having to look at poor people. Remember, they're complaining about the homeless.
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Big tent liberalism is exactly what got you the anti-union, pro-war, pro-fracking, anti-immigrant democratic party of today. Every single time someone argues for speaking to a broader base it's used as an excuse to move further right. And it isn't working. Please, for the love of god, learn from the past three election cycles.
Because when they compromise it’s never with the left. They always compromise with the right. They want the left to compromise with them but they never make any concessions towards the left.
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I will guarantee that anyone who campaigns on abolishing lobbyists and PAC donations will landslide. Hell, elect me and I'll do it because I really don't gaf about money. Extra bonus: I DESPISE Nazis and the Telecommunications Act.
How exactly are you going to campaign with no money lol
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Sounds like the area you were in didn’t have adequate homeless shelters. Where I live, you could always have gone there. The cops wouldn’t necessarily have taken you there, but you could certainly have gotten there in your own.
I will admit that “anti-homeless” bench features don’t make much sense unless you have places and resources for homeless people to fall back on. But if there are said resources, I see the utility of these features to disincentivize homeless people from using public benches as a substitute for getting professional help.
You would be surprised how many areas have inadequate homeless shelters.
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That's not applicable here. A Scotsman is not defined by his behaviors, but his ancestral homeland. Liberalism and socialism are defined by their policy initiatives, otherwise the terms become meaningless when we ascribe any negative american political behavior to them.
All EU countries are liberal democracies. The United States falls far short of its liberal commitments. Just because American democrats abuse Big-L Liberalism doesn't mean that small-l liberalism is without meaning.
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I don't live in the US so I don't have first hand experience but both on lemmy and on reddit it was mostly leftists who were spamming "genocide Biden (without mentioning that trump was even worse)", something about inflation (like it wasn't a global issue) and other issues where gop is clearly worse. All as a reason to not vote Democrat.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Calling a genocide a genocide should not be a partisan issue, and if you think we need to temper our discussion of genocide so that your preferred genocider can win a fucking election then you are a genocide denier.
The way for the dems to differentiate themselves on this issue was to stop doing a genocide. They couldn't do that, and so they enabled the worse option because they were just too horny for killing brown kids.
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As I said to another commenter, “anti-homeless” measures like these make zero sense if there aren’t resources for the homeless available. I’m sorry, it doesn’t sound like resources were available to you, and that truly sucks. Your state should do better.
However, in places where resources are available, homeless people still sometimes refuse to utilize them, and then measures like this become valid and utilitarian.
wrote last edited by [email protected]All that it does is push homeless people out of the area. That is all that you are accomplishing. This will not force those who do not seek help, to seek help, it just pushes them out of sight. No matter what you say, this is the point, to push the homeless out of the area, they do not give a single fuck about getting them help. If they did, instead of making it so people couldn't lay down, or sit, in public, they would be putting far more money into mental health facilities, and other aspects of life that makes, and keeps, people homeless.
But no, just make it so they can't lay down in your area, that will make it better. It also makes life worse for people who are not homeless, especially the elderly, and disabled. This type of thinking also leads to the privatization of public spaces, reducing resources to everyone, that have a demonstrably positive affect on people. Part-and-parcel of hostile architecture initiatives are also legal punitive ones, to enforce the removal of unwanted people in areas that they can't specifically do something like put spikes on. The very morality behind "defensive" architecture is called into question, because of the line of thinking you put forward is little more than an excuse to push undesirables away from society.
https://english.artsci.udel.edu/arak-journal-article/?id=169
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/b57726adb2fe4f91bd1a7356f7e74551
https://ltu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Berdan_Report.pdf
There are more, if you would like, everything I have ever found on this subject has read "we can prove many negative aspects of doing, and there might be some good aspects, but it isn't as evident, and often can possibly be explained by other factors", so I don't even really see research backing up this idea you propose.
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They (you) get the benefit of not having to look at poor people. Remember, they're complaining about the homeless.
Which is a valid complaint. Homeless people should be given food shelter, medicine, counseling, training and a job. Not a comfy bench.
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Calling a genocide a genocide should not be a partisan issue, and if you think we need to temper our discussion of genocide so that your preferred genocider can win a fucking election then you are a genocide denier.
The way for the dems to differentiate themselves on this issue was to stop doing a genocide. They couldn't do that, and so they enabled the worse option because they were just too horny for killing brown kids.
There we go!
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How do you know they were leftists? I don't know where you are from, but it's been known that bots and foreign powers have been attempting to influence U.S. elections since at least Trumps first term, and let's be honest it's extremely likely that it has been going on for far longer than that.
Biden IS pro genocide, So is Harris, So is Trump. I don't think it's bad to point that out. Using it as a reason to vote for a Fascist instead is loony tunes, and as someone who frequents Leftist spaces I can tell you not a single person on reddit or Lemmy proposed any such nonsense who was taken seriously and wasn't' immediately down-voted into oblivion.
Now you can ask them yourself in the reply to the above comment. Here's a direct link, if it works: https://programming.dev/comment/17635908
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For those not in the know, covenant house is a homeless shelter for kids based in NYC. They house homeless children up to age 21. I emancipated myself when I was 16 and started college. Stupid me didn't realize that the dorms closed during Thanksgiving, Christmas, and other holidays. Going back home for the holidays was out of the question because my mother let my rapist back into the house to live with her, (the reason why I emancipated myself in the first place.) I spent every holiday my freshman year of college at covenant house. I slept on a mat in a room with a bunch of other kids, but it was better than being on the streets and I didn't go hungry. I learned my lesson after that year and rented a room sophomore-senior instead of deciding to live in dorm housing. For anyone that knows any homeless children that need help, they have a crisis line called the 9 line. 1-800-999-9999.
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Now you can ask them yourself in the reply to the above comment. Here's a direct link, if it works: https://programming.dev/comment/17635908
I think you might be reading too much into that statement. They were saying that the Democrats have failed to differentiate themselves on that specific issue, and that's an objective fact.
They also said that Trump was the worst option.
I agree with them that we shouldn't have to keep quiet about what a shit human being politician A is, on the off chance that it might cause a complete idiot to vote for politician B who is just as bad on that issue and worse in just about every other way.
An idiot is going to idiot no matter what you do, and it's not on us to cover up for liberals and their shit candidates.
If the Democrats want us to stop discussing what trash human beings their candidates are, there is a simple solution for that. I'm sure you can figure out what that is if you think about it.
No matter where you are in the world, this is going to affect you as well. You should be just as mad at the Democrats for putting an unelectable piece of shit up against Trump as I am, not making excuses for them and blaming leftists. We didn't have Jack shit to do with it.
The DNC had ONE job, put up a candidate that could beat a fascist dictator. That should have been the easiest job in the world.
They fucked up. And now we are all paying for it. Quit trying to shift the blame where it doesn't belong.
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There we go!
You're angrier at leftists for correctly calling out the dems' genocide than you are at the dems for their genocide.
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Which is a valid complaint. Homeless people should be given food shelter, medicine, counseling, training and a job. Not a comfy bench.
The problem is that my country gets as far as taking away the bench.
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https://apnews.com/article/california-newsom-homeless-61ebe5b2a732323989c8885899f8d929
For anyone saying that the democrats are bad for the homeless, please look at this.
Wow. I remember the way the right wing propaganda machine tried to spin that into a story of total cruelty. At the time, I assumed their version of events was bs, but never really looked into what the dem's were actually doing. Converting old motels into homes for homeless people is an absolute no-brainer.
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You're angrier at leftists for correctly calling out the dems' genocide than you are at the dems for their genocide.
I'm angry at leftists helping elect trump thus creating MORE genocide.
