Oh to be a gay fish
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If anyone is curious (as I was):
In real life Nemo's dad would have become female after mommy got eaten.
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/fisheye-view-tree-of-life/gender-bending-fish/"of all the animals, fish are sexually the most fluid" - https://www.bbcearth.com/news/fish-are-the-sex-switching-masters-of-the-animal-kingdom
Salmon change sex too if I recall correctly.
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If anyone is curious (as I was):
In real life Nemo's dad would have become female after mommy got eaten.
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/fisheye-view-tree-of-life/gender-bending-fish/"of all the animals, fish are sexually the most fluid" - https://www.bbcearth.com/news/fish-are-the-sex-switching-masters-of-the-animal-kingdom
Nemo's dad would have become female after mommy got eaten.
And mated with Nemo. Let's not forget that.
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Does trans fall into the term gay now? Honest question. I understood the former to be about gender and the latter to be about sexual orientation.
For non-experts it generally falls into the "gay stuff".
(if you can explain the difference between sex and gender you're an expert)
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Do you guys like fish sticks?
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Does trans fall into the term gay now? Honest question. I understood the former to be about gender and the latter to be about sexual orientation.
Am trans.
No. Unless you're joking about...The Gays~
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Nature is queer in every way imaginable. Diversity is the point.
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Does trans fall into the term gay now? Honest question. I understood the former to be about gender and the latter to be about sexual orientation.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]“Gay” as a blanket term inclusive of all alternative lifestyles and peoples. Like how saying “you guys” is inclusive of all genders.
…or using the term “Man” to refer to all of humankind.
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Do you guys like fish sticks?
No, but I like fish dicks.
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How do fish change their gender? Are there really smart fishes having formed social constructs related to their sex?
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How do fish change their gender? Are there really smart fishes having formed social constructs related to their sex?
I'm not an expert, but I imagine when they change sex, their behaviour changes accordingly.
They don't need to understand social constructs - they're changing gender as a result of changing sex.
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How do fish change their gender? Are there really smart fishes having formed social constructs related to their sex?
Patterns of behavior typically tied to one sex or the other. Like doing mating dances or building nests.
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Salmon change sex too if I recall correctly.
I don't think salmon change sex to be honest. It seems from the stuff I could find that sex determination for salmon is mostly chromosomal but with divergence at certain temperature during development (or exogenous hormonal influence obviously).
The coolest paper I found while searching was this:
Natural sex change in fish - ScienceDirect - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0070215318301145
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She's awesome. They also did some Pride crafts and while her two co-workers made those Polaroid picture frames with slogans she made a big angler fish hat. Because she thinks they are awesome (she's right).
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Nemo's dad would have become female after mommy got eaten.
And mated with Nemo. Let's not forget that.
Fish-cest
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I'm not an expert, but I imagine when they change sex, their behaviour changes accordingly.
They don't need to understand social constructs - they're changing gender as a result of changing sex.
That’s a stretch. Social constructs are parts of culture. They can be transmitted person to person and they evolve independently of genetics. Is there any evidence that fish have culture? I doubt it.
Look at how men used to dress in Mozart’s time. That was considered the height of masculine fashion. Today a man would have his masculinity questioned for dressing the same way (or otherwise thought of as strange). Nothing about our genetics could explain such a shift in preferences. There’s no reason Mozart-style fashion couldn’t make a return at some point. That is culture. Fish don’t have it, thus they don’t have gender at all.
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That’s a stretch. Social constructs are parts of culture. They can be transmitted person to person and they evolve independently of genetics. Is there any evidence that fish have culture? I doubt it.
Look at how men used to dress in Mozart’s time. That was considered the height of masculine fashion. Today a man would have his masculinity questioned for dressing the same way (or otherwise thought of as strange). Nothing about our genetics could explain such a shift in preferences. There’s no reason Mozart-style fashion couldn’t make a return at some point. That is culture. Fish don’t have it, thus they don’t have gender at all.
According to the definition posted above, the cultural expressions of biological sex are only one dimension of gender, and you're ignoring the other aspects. I'll accept fish don't have culture, though I bet someone more knowledgeable than I could argue that point. However, let's look at social behavior via a vis courtship rituals. Like birds, some fish develop pretty incredible displays for getting it on. If a fish which has changed its biological sex then changes it's behavior during courtship, that would seem, to me, to indicate a different expression of biological sex independent of genetics (i.e. gender). Unless there is a genealogical basis for courtship displays, which I don't believe to be the case.
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Then there's the eyes of flounders.
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According to the definition posted above, the cultural expressions of biological sex are only one dimension of gender, and you're ignoring the other aspects. I'll accept fish don't have culture, though I bet someone more knowledgeable than I could argue that point. However, let's look at social behavior via a vis courtship rituals. Like birds, some fish develop pretty incredible displays for getting it on. If a fish which has changed its biological sex then changes it's behavior during courtship, that would seem, to me, to indicate a different expression of biological sex independent of genetics (i.e. gender). Unless there is a genealogical basis for courtship displays, which I don't believe to be the case.
You can argue along those lines but then you’re ultimately arguing against the sex-gender distinction. If you read the full Wikipedia article on gender posted above essentially none of it applies to fish whose behaviour is entirely biological and environmental. We know this because you can substitute any fish in any role for another of the same species and see entirely predictable results.
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Not trying to answer the question, but the only party that suggests that in the original post is "the haters".
Well the reason I asked is because the "haters" suggest it, but then the entertains it.
And judging from the other answers I've received here, it does not seem to be a settled matter.
